Pakistan To Participate In Turkey’s TFX Next-Gen Fighter Aircraft Program

[Darth Vader]

Bottom line- whatever defence products Turkey produces ultimately get into Pak hands. JVs are to take it the next level- there's nothing more rational than that..

JVs are the Future
Weapon Systems are Getting To Expensive for single country to Build , sell , mainten , and keep it alive till other buyers spend money on the project , and Secrecy Of Cold War is Long gone
JV brings Money , Experience , Different Brains and , Spread the cost , bring cost effective and different Tech Available to the creater.
This Helps the Projects to survive when single country would end up trashing the project and losing millions

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Bottom line- whatever defence products Turkey produces ultimately get into Pak hands. JVs are to take it the next level- there's nothing more rational than that..

The main issue is transfer of technology. This is limited because of laws of copyright and intellectual property, however there are ways to by pass these and that is what every country in the world is doing. These international and domestic laws have loopholes which are exploited by who ever is interested in procuring the technology. Then there are legal ways to do it but these require certain permissions..

USA, France and UK are known to give concessions regarding transfer of technology when the price is right or they would allow it to be sent though other countries like in the past Canadian F86's were procured by Iran for Pakistan Air Force. Israel sold parts for F-16's during sanctions and recently NATO surplus items were sold to Pakistan through Turkey for the F-16's.

Then there always remains a threat of espionage or in todays terms hacking. Israeli's were and are great in the field of industrial espionage remember the blueprints of Mirages.

 

[bsruzm]

and stop with this no sense.

 

[T-123456]

Bottom line- whatever defence products Turkey produces ultimately get into Pak hands.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

...U got him...

Bottom line- whatever defence products Turkey produces ultimately get into Pak hands. JVs are to take it the next level- there's nothing more rational than that..

Not to mention Barkaat of doing something good when together....

 

[bsruzm]

...U got him...

 

[cabatli_53]

-SSM signed main contactor agreement with TAI to lead the project in paralel to benefits of Turkish Rrpublic.

-Aselsan, Roketsan, Tübitak Sage, Bilkent, Meteksan like technological hub institutes are charged to develop many strategic subsystems, components, devices in paralel to development of TFX.

-TAI purchased a super computer for desing activities of fighter.

-In critical design phase, Turkish and British design team will benefit the test opportunities of BAE installations locating in Britain.

-BAE accepted almost all requests of Turkish officials and guaranteed to deliver all srnsitive technologies Turkey requests without any limitation on usage and exportation. English ambassador told it.

-Turkey foreseens a 5-7 years to develop TF-X engine domestically.

-Two air to air missile project (iir short range, rf long range) under the name of Goktuğ is commenced in 2012-13.

-A fighter mission computer called Ozgur is developed and integrated to an f-16 flghter for trials.

-Aselsan is preparing to reveal two AESA radar. One for f-16 in 2018/19, other is 2021-22 for Tf-X. The GaN radar T/R modules are from ABmicronano which is the jv of Aselsan and Bilkent. I expect to see prototype mock-ups in IDEF/2017 defence fair.

-Aselsan passed into serial production of own developed E/O pod system called Aselpod. Strateglc thermal detectors are also from Aselsan. It is even exported to brother state Pakistan for jf-17 Thunders. It is planned to reveal an EW pod called EHpod and a SAR pod in next years. According to official statements, TF-X will not have seperate pods on paylons but onboard sensors inslde of fuselage.


-Turkish institutes are working on fully glass cockpit solutions to be worked with Ozgur misson computers codes.

-A stAnd off cruise missile which is going to fit inner pylons of TF-X is under development phase thanks to experiences gained in SOM cruise missle program. The name of new missile is SOM-j.

-Selecting a fighter is like selecting an ally for the future of a country. Turkey selected own ally called TFX and inviting brother Pakistan to join to own alliance for the independance of own skies.


I think those early efforts reveal reasons enough to make some of you think How Turkey is serious to develop and produce own fighters. When i read the comments of some hostile members which is actually targetting the hand to hand advancement plans of Muslim populations with underestimating the capabilities and ambitious of Turkish and Pakistani nations, i realised that we are on our correct way to achieve our strategic goals to destroy the power balances some westerners pushes the limits to obey their politic and evonomic rules, while feeding their satellite states with technology and cashes to create a perfect instability but As you see Such strategic projects will loose the sleeps of some countries step by step when reality of drawings became more visible in near future.

 

[vizier]

It will take investment,time and there is the risk of delays. Even already completed planes like f35 and SukhoiT50 face delays of years during testing and fixing stage. It is good to have a backup option and have budgets allocated to it such as Chinese J 31 which already has a prototype just like Turkey has F35 option by not putting all eggs in one basket.

 

[royalharris]

Your future is this one, although need wait

 

[maximuswarrior]

It is parkistan's selection, right or wrong, gain or loss,it is parkistan's bussiness.others can have a opinion, but no need discourage it.
Except USA(F22/F35),China(J20 initial production;FC 31 2.0 prototype),russia(T50, prototype), the others, basiclly speaking, all the same, every country have the potential. but remenber potential is not reality.
Don’t overestimate yourself, Don't underestimate yourself.

Well said bro. Appreciate your views.

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An absolute killer.

 

[wiseone2]

Bottom line- whatever defence products Turkey produces ultimately get into Pak hands. JVs are to take it the next level- there's nothing more rational than that..

it is not simple. EU has an arms embargo on China. Anything you give to Pakistan has to accompanied by iron clad promises of not fall in China's hands

 

[Ultima Thule]

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not for export bro may be J-31

 

[royalharris]

not for export bro may be J-31

Just not for now, not forever. like isareal, they will get F22,just need wait. ultimately F35+F22.
First, go to J31,then J20，high+low， from same source can save you a lot of things even you can't imagine.
For PLAAF, they will need at least 500 hundred 5th G fighter, according to chinese industry ability today, it will take some time.
But seems like you are interest with TFX, No problem.

 

[DavidSling]

Just not for now, not forever. like isareal, they will get F22,just need wait. ultimately F35+F22.
First, go to J31,then J20，high+low， from same source can save you a lot of things even you can't imagine.

Eh, For now Israel is going for F15 SE+ F35I A/B

 

[royalharris]

it is not simple. EU has an arms embargo on China. Anything you give to Pakistan has to accompanied by iron clad promises of not fall in China's hands

EU?
For china， every day、every month、every year， the situation is difference
10 years before, strongly need; 5 years before, ok,please;today, what you can offer?
For EU, there are sth china are interested, but not so urgent and advance, china lagged behind so much that can not achieved