Pakistan to buy 40 SU-35 or Euro Fighter soon

[Dem!god]

40 EFT will cost approx 10 billion dollars, I wonder how pakistan will able to pay such huge amount when even india is having problem to pay for such high price of rafale.
The best option for pakistan would be to go for j10 or some better variant of j series, maybe j 31 in near future.

 

[Shah Xaib]

we will surely buy aircrafts with low maintenance cost

 

[Basel]

Don't you think western ones are more good generally than their Russian counterparts. Indians are used too of Russian planes. They also have close relationship with Russia. We are used to of western systems and Chinese ones....

Lets see what PAF boys decide.....I hope and pray it turns out to be best for Pakistan....

Western tech is more advance, more reliable and have more life but Russia is not very far behind.

Indians also have F-16s deployed there from Singapore and they may produce F-16s in India (the most advance one). Steadily there is a strategic shift going on, India moving towards west and still keeping close relations with Russia, if Pakistani leadership plays its cards well in national interest of Pakistan, we can manage anything we want.

But what advantages would Su-35 serve for Pakistan. EFT would give Air superiority.

Please check its capabilities it will be area defense fighter for PAF also the weapons package and load carrying capabilities it have, it can be in air for longer duration of time for CAP & CAS missions, PAF need it because they need it to protect PN in open seas, ships, subs and specially escorting P-3s and other airborne asset.

 

[randomradio]

i was giving an example on how india does NOT have acces to tender info in the f35 to be specific.

Yes, this is originally my argument. Since the F-35 did not participate in the Indian tender, we don't know enough about it beyond whatever presentations LM has been giving since years. But we have all the necessary information for all other aircraft.

We have all the information about the Typhoon, red line limits, current tech, modernized tech etc. We used all that information to slaughter it during exercises. We have much more information about the Su-35 than we do about the Typhoon.

oh to the indian mig is better because it has a indian jammer as opposed to a russain one ? how do you know the export package is "basic"

It is basic because there's nothing special they have made for export yet.

yes the su-25 was based of the su27 but when its development was halted in the 90's its design then went on to future non canard su-30 models. when its program resumed future break throughs from the su30 went on to the su35. it was seen as going backwards from working from the su-27 instead of the su-30

You said the Su-35 lost canards, I said that's wrong. The end.

yes, india paid for its development but it did not extend to the point that india has a say in who can buy the canard variant.

The MKI is sold only to countries India wants to sell it to. The end.

hypothetically if they did buy it dont you think they would go for a chinese aesa instead of a russain pesa?

They can, but the Russians won't allow it. That would require giving away secrets which they won't.

irrelevant points its the truth kiddo, not my fault you cant take it. yeas malaysia and algeria are not pakistan well done, but Malaysia in particular are very close to pakistan dont you think intensive training. Algeria likes to be neutral and not make enemies

Malaysia is not close to Pakistan militarily. India is actually considering tri-services exercises with them, we don't do that with the US or anybody else. We even have a Flanker forum with them, so IAF and RMAF can exchange ideas without opsec issues. Malaysia and India are already strategic partners.

We ultimately plan to make a NATO type system with some ASEAN countries. Especially Malaysia and Singapore. For example, the Singapore air force uses Indian bases to practice high end tactics because they don't have the airspace for that.

rubbish you said j-10 not j-20

J-20 was a typo, I was referring to the J-10, my bad.
The statement should say-
Because when I gave PAF the option of the J-10, you said the J-10 has engine problems.

You ridiculed the J-10, I returned the favour.

 

[Blue Marlin]

We have all the information about the Typhoon, red line limits, current tech, modernized tech etc. We used all that information to slaughter it during exercises. We have much more information about the Su-35 than we do about the Typhoon.

oh my god your right. pakistan has no choice but to go for the chinese. the indians have cornered them.

It is basic because there's nothing special they have made for export yet.

what ever floats your boat

You said the Su-35 lost canards, I said that's wrong. The end.

you sound like my little sister mixing up my words

The MKI is sold only to countries India wants to sell it to. The end.

i dont care about the mki, im talking about the mkm,mka and sm. you dont have any say in these transactions

They can, but the Russians won't allow it. That would require giving away secrets which they won't.

what are you on about? its a chinese radar not russain ? it could be flown to china for fitting out.

Malaysia is not close to Pakistan militarily. India is actually considering tri-services exercises with them, we don't do that with the US or anybody else. We even have a Flanker forum with them, so IAF and RMAF can exchange ideas without opsec issues. Malaysia and India are already strategic partners.

We ultimately plan to make a NATO type system with some ASEAN countries. Especially Malaysia and Singapore. For example, the Singapore air force uses Indian bases to practice high end tactics because they don't have the airspace for that.

yeah your right, them just buying weapons from them means nothing?
https://www.geo.tv/latest/111682-Army-chief-in-Malaysia-on-two-day-official-visit

why are you bring in singapore? lame effort to deviate from the topic

J-20 was a typo, I was referring to the J-10, my bad.
The statement should say-
Because when I gave PAF the option of the J-10, you said the J-10 has engine problems.

You ridiculed the J-10, I returned the favour.

you should know the j-20 is not for export nor mature enough for export to strategic allies.
i said the j-10 has engine problems thats my only problem with it. heck even the chinese agree with me on that. if it has reliable engines then it would make a good bird.

your starting to slack on your posts so dont bother quoting me again.

 

[danger007]

60-70% availability rate,so do the maths yourself.PAF has adopted a complex log system which greatly enhances the availability of jets,not many af do that.JFT was made from ground up to be cheaper and easier to maintain.RD 93 tho suggests against it.
One squadron has 18 jets,so around 26 something jets are present in PAC kamra that are waiting for induction as soon as they get their clearance.
25/year(16/year last year) was the target set for this year.Last induction was done about a year ago.Nigeria signed the deal long ago paid for em this year and just recently a Pak military contingent visited the facility to handle JFT and signed agreement to train the staff.They are getting these on soft loans.
PAC is rolling out jets to achieve the target and to fulfil the needs PAF is going to get 1 more squadron in the year end.
I am sorry if the writing was fked up earlier, i write cluttered shit sometimes.

price tag, yeah i agree but i don't buy your rest of post.. can you back up your claim 70% availability.. to increase availability ratio there are lot ground work to be done.. it's not 25 but they hope to increase production rate to 20. what they are doing with 26 jets at the production house.. so you are just saying within 4 months another squadron will be ready ? hmmm pakistan not in a position to offer jets on soft loan.. you are not being realistic..

 

[randomradio]

oh my god your right. pakistan has no choice but to go for the chinese. the indians have cornered them.

Yup. We have.

you sound like my little sister mixing up my words

Your difficulty in understanding what you yourself post is the problem here.

i dont care about the mki, im talking about the mkm,mka and sm. you dont have any say in these transactions

They are all the same. Engine, airframe, radar and most of the other avionics are the same. The differences are superficial.

what are you on about? its a chinese radar not russain ? it could be flown to china for fitting out.

And why will the Russians give FBW codes to China? Why will they allow the integration of the radar with other Russian equipment? Why will Russia remove their radar for a measly 40 aircraft?

why are you bring in singapore? lame effort to deviate from the topic

It's to highlight the type of relation we have with ASEAN now. India is also the only country allowed to berth naval ships in Vietnam right now.

i said the j-10 has engine problems thats my only problem with it. heck even the chinese agree with me on that. if it has reliable engines then it would make a good bird.

So EFT's manufacturing defects are not a problem?

your starting to slack on your posts so dont bother quoting me again.

Make better arguments. You are just going round and round on non-issues.

 

[Wolf]

40 EFT will cost approx 10 billion dollars, I wonder how pakistan will able to pay such huge amount when even india is having problem to pay for such high price of rafale.
The best option for pakistan would be to go for j10 or some better variant of j series, maybe j 31 in near future.

I would like to give you a situation
10 billion dollars = 40 EFTs
10 billion dollars = 100 plus Su 35s appro
10 billion dollars = 200 J 10s approx

Now compare them.
40 EFT vs 100 Su 35 ( who will win)
40 EFT vs 200 J 10 ( who will win)
100 Su 35 vs 200 J 10s ( who will win)

We have experts here. Consider money, numbers and ready spares availability.

THEN, go for winner with your eyes closed if some PAF guy is also around. Regards

 

[Blue Marlin]

Yup. We have.

good for you, sweet dreams

Your difficulty in understanding what you yourself post is the problem here.

your difficuly in mixing up words and talking up crap as if you know every thing but you dont know the square root of jack let alone the iaf. and just by saying the indian one are better does not help you.

They are all the same. Engine, airframe, radar and most of the other avionics are the same. The differences are superficial.

well done have a cookie, thank you captain obvious have another cookie. heck if a country wants the canard version of the su-30 they can have and india cant to nothing, but try to get something out of it.

And why will the Russians give FBW codes to China? Why will they allow the integration of the radar with other Russian equipment? Why will Russia remove their radar for a measly 40 aircraft?

fbw has nothing to do with the radar, do toy even know what the radar even does. the radar wont come as a single piece, it will come with its own computer. and why would russia add the radar for a measly 24 aircraft for china?

It's to highlight the type of relation we have with ASEAN now. India is also the only country allowed to berth naval ships in Vietnam right now.

again why????????????????? good luck with trying to get influence.
again why mention vietnam???????? yes some of their berths can hold over a hundred thousand tonne naval vessels. i.e. nimitz class and gerald ford carries

So EFT's manufacturing defects are not a problem?

they are a problem but not any more, im gonna say that again in case you didn't get it the first time. its not a problem anymore.
and oh manufacturing defects.......india is one to speak of defects.

Make better arguments. You are just going round and round on non-issues.

better arguments........... i have a better idea...... go to sleep. its probably 2 o clock down there.
better arguments........yeah right

 

[Dem!god]

I would like to give you a situation
10 billion dollars = 40 EFTs
10 billion dollars = 100 plus Su 35s appro
10 billion dollars = 200 J 10s approx

Now compare them.
40 EFT vs 100 Su 35 ( who will win)
40 EFT vs 200 J 10 ( who will win)
100 Su 35 vs 200 J 10s ( who will win)

We have experts here. Consider money, numbers and ready spares availability.

THEN, go for winner with your eyes closed if some PAF guy is also around. Regards

Pakistan should wait for j31. No need to waste your precarious resources on expensive toys like EFT. I doubt Russia will ever sell Su35 to pakistan. Do not get your hopes high on Russian.

 

[AUz]

I would like to give you a situation
10 billion dollars = 40 EFTs
10 billion dollars = 100 plus Su 35s appro
10 billion dollars = 200 J 10s approx

Now compare them.
40 EFT vs 100 Su 35 ( who will win)
40 EFT vs 200 J 10 ( who will win)
100 Su 35 vs 200 J 10s ( who will win)

We have experts here. Consider money, numbers and ready spares availability.

THEN, go for winner with your eyes closed if some PAF guy is also around. Regards

40 EFTs cost 4, 5 billion dollars max including spares and maintenance.

For $10 billion, we can get almost 100 Eurofighters!!

 

[abdulbarijan]

The thread title catching the eye of the fanboys ...

Fanboys after reading the title

After reading the OP noticing no number was specified, neither the type of the aircraft ...

 

[muhammadali233]

price tag, yeah i agree but i don't buy your rest of post.. can you back up your claim 70% availability.. to increase availability ratio there are lot ground work to be done.. it's not 25 but they hope to increase production rate to 20. what they are doing with 26 jets at the production house.. so you are just saying within 4 months another squadron will be ready ? hmmm pakistan not in a position to offer jets on soft loan.. you are not being realistic..

Nigeria paid 25million$ for 3 JFT and 12.5 million$ for 10 mushuk aircraft in their 2016 budget whereas Blk 2 is for 30mil$ a piece so soft loan might be it
Keep in mind deal was signed or MOU back in 2014 when the first visited the facility. They might have been since than but nothing fancy was in their budget was written about procuring aircrafts.
Of the availability i heard about high serviceability in an interview 2 3 yrs back.Even Sukhoi 30mki has >50% which is big and russian this is a small aircraft built for easy maintenance.
1 squadron worth of aircraft might be shipped to Mynmar or induct in a newer squadron of PAF by year end.
Lets not spoil the already spoiled thread visit jft forum for more info and debate.

 

[MastanKhan]

I would like to give you a situation
10 billion dollars = 40 EFTs
10 billion dollars = 100 plus Su 35s appro
10 billion dollars = 200 J 10s approx

Now compare them.
40 EFT vs 100 Su 35 ( who will win)
40 EFT vs 200 J 10 ( who will win)
100 Su 35 vs 200 J 10s ( who will win)

We have experts here. Consider money, numbers and ready spares availability.

THEN, go for winner with your eyes closed if some PAF guy is also around. Regards

Hi,

You have to look at it this way---in the army---when an army division has 30% casualties---it is considered that the division is destroyed----in the air force maybe 50%.

Acquisition of aircraft must involve different strategy---a eurofighter by itself means a lot---but in function---it is not a whole.

It is like a wolf pack---some lead the charge---some hit on the flanks---some keep the chase---. Likewise some aircraft are for air superiority---others are for strike under the umbrella of these aircraft.

If I had a say---I would rather have 24 eurofighters-----either 60 SU34's---or J16's or JH7B's---. And as the SU34 and the J16 maybe out of reach---I will settle for the JH7B---.

A eurofighter by itself is nothing ( it is something ) but it is not the total package. A heavy strike aircraft is a must.

 

[SQ8]

I am not saying that we are not buying or we are buying this and that. All i am against is how people are making things certain with this little in hand! How we are being so "Sure" that we are buying eurofighter or su35 because the same office that confirm u214 is being quoted by the same sources again and here we are falling for all that crap once more. All i ask for is a bit of maturity and patience. At least wait for something to happen before getting a thread to 25 pages in one day!!!! Idiotic!

Sadly, that is because there is nothing better or more productive to do in their lives.
If I am to spend 25 pages on something; I'd wait for something of actual substance.. but sadly our qaum is busy spending 25 pages on hawai news, Veena Malik's capris or why Allah will or will not accept a beard length of 6.755477 inches.