Pakistan to buy 40 SU-35 or Euro Fighter soon

[Oldman1]

Bro they don't cancel such excellent aircraft, Suppose if they cancel just check our air chief speech we are building infrastructure to develop and research new Gen air crafts above all we have other options like Turkish 5th Gen Jet program and F-35 still many option available but according to me Chinese jet is more reliable option.

Well bro, some Chinese posters here said it was canceled. So I'm just telling you what I read.

 

[Hamza913]

but F-35 is extremely expansive for Pakistan 85 mil $$$

Yes but it's still an option. An unlikely one, but still one none the less.

In my opinion, if we really want something really advanced right now, our options are:

1. Su-35
2. Used jets from Saudi Arabia

Those are our immediate options for truly advanced fighters.

 

[danger007]

USA will sell Raptors to you in you wet dreams oh you forget you have 100 generation LEAST CAPABLE AIRCRAFT so why you need only 5th generation RAPTOR?

read my post again lol... you are funny..

 

[Ultima Thule]

read my post again lol... you are funny..

but you said that in that post, USA will sell a RAPTOR to you in the last part here it is "USA will sell Raptos"

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well bro, some Chinese posters here said it was canceled. So I'm just telling you what I read.

Just last week Pakistan Defence Production Minister confirmed Paks collaboration with Turkeys jet project..

PAF is already planning to take more step to further develop the aviation industry by establishing an "Aviation City" and eventually being able to produce new gen fighters indigenously in the future.. Cooperation with Turkey was also on cards --- the Air Chiefs interview..

As for JF.. They want BLOCK III to be superior or on par with the latest F-16s..

AESA,IRST,new engine,HMDs etc are confirmed.

 

[danger007]

but you said that in that post, USA will sell a RAPTOR to you in the last part here it is "USA will sell Raptos"

You don't get what i mean.. do you.. Russia will sell, European countries will, China will and USA will as it doesn't want to loose someone to Russia..

 

[Olaf One-Brow]

USA to keep its influence , USA will sell Raptors

F-16, Super bug and maybe, if we like you, the F-35. That's what the US is offering.

If you want the F-22 you can buy one on Amazon like the rest of us.

I doubt the US gives a crap if you buy Russian aircraft or French or even Chinese.

Who started this F-22 for India stuff? @PARIKRAMA it was you wasn't it!?

and USA will as it doesn't want to loose someone to Russia..

The production line is buried in a desert somewhere in the Western US. Would you like a shovel to dig yourself out an F-22? If, and this is a huge if, the production line is restarted, it'll be to increase the US total. Not to export it.

 

[Raider 21]

SU-35 chances are lot more and not to forget he recently visited Russia

Probably gave him a few posters and brochures about the Su-35.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You don't get what i mean.. do you.. Russia will sell, European countries will, China will and USA will as it doesn't want to loose someone to Russia..

you are face saving now in your total context of your sentence, you clearly means that USA will sell F-22 to india instead of other options don't' fool yourself

It could be but recent events with Russia are indicating towards SU-35

Russian tour of sohail aman doesn't meant that we are in negotiations with Russians for Su-35, it could be anything
how do know this tour was for Su-35?

 

[danger007]

you are face saving now in your total context of your sentence, you clearly means that USA will sell F-22 to india instead of other options don't' fool yourself



Russian tour of sohail aman doesn't meant that we are in negotiations with Russians for Su-35, it could be anything
how do know this tour was for Su-35?

didn't you noticed Russia - SU 35 & PAK FA, Europe both Rafale and typhoon and French Reject Rafale to India, to keep its influence in pak, USA will sell Raptors..( you guys said it before, US come with F 16 to check SU 35 purchase... omg... seriously.. you are funny..

i think you need to save your face.....

F-16, Super bug and maybe, if we like you, the F-35. That's what the US is offering.

If you want the F-22 you can buy one on Amazon like the rest of us.

I doubt the US gives a crap if you buy Russian aircraft or French or even Chinese.

Who started this F-22 for India stuff? @PARIKRAMA it was you wasn't it!?



The production line is buried in a desert somewhere in the Western US. Would you like a shovel to dig yourself out an F-22? If, and this is a huge if, the production line is restarted, it'll be to increase the US total. Not to export it.

Where did i said US will sell to India.. lolz.. you guys don't even understand sarcasm..

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@waz If you can think back, the one time period where it did seem that the Typhoon could realistically happen (albeit remotely) was in 2005-2006. At that time, the Typhoon was competing for a major Turkish Air Force program, and an official at the Eurofighter Consortium actually said something to the tune of "...and we believe Turkish built Typhoons could be exported to Pakistan..." Mentioning Pakistan back then was very relevant because at the time, the PAF was evaluating the Typhoon as a possible "plus one" platform to join the Block-52+ and JF-17.

 

[Signalian]

Yes but it's still an option. An unlikely one, but still one none the less.

In my opinion, if we really want something really advanced right now, our options are:

1. Su-35
2. Used jets from Saudi Arabia

Those are our immediate options for truly advanced fighters.

For such a massive price tag is there still a need to go for used jets.

 

[war&peace]

that sophisticated jet is used F-16 from European countries..

no

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Non-Chinese? Man thats racist.

NOPE......

 

[Viper0011.]

Both the euro fighter & Rafale would easily beat any Falcon by virtue of far superior engines both twin v single. Far superior radar EW suites and much lower RCS

If "superior engines" were the winning factor, then the Space Shuttle Discovery would be the ultimate fighter, hell, its engines allow it to navigate the space, come down to the Earth and then fly till normal landing

The Falcons (and block 15 OCU/MLU, 40 year old almost) have kicked EFT's rear many times in simulation. The EFT was still using the same "superior engines". Now imagine that . The EW and Cross Section at 40 miles for both, Viper and EFT are the same (Viper block 52. 60+, specially the AESA ones).

Both the rafale & Euro fighter will soon get the best BVR missle on the planet the $2million dollar meteore ramjet..

And....that would compete against AMRAAM C7's!! AMRAAM D's and the AIM9X current block are still a generation ahead of any BVR. Which is why they are classified and won't be released to even NATO. Only the F-22's and F-35's will use the US specific version. But I am not denying the fact that both Rafale and EFT are great platforms. I am just comparing them to the latest versions of the F-16 as the lower versions of the -16's have taken them out many times. In real combat, with EW, EM, Defensive Suites, the ratio would go down. But if there were 10 confirmed simulated kills, you'd still have 4 in real life. That sounds fair. Defensive electronics and counter measures don't blind the missile 100% that any missile can never go through those. The HOBS missiles almost provide a guaranteed kill from pretty much any AOA, no matter how much defensive crap you put through the air.

TRAINING EXCERCISES AT with downgraded radars and serious imposed limitations in DACT are not accurate or real

Says who? Ever been to the Red Flag? You should ask someone from the IAF or the PAF or the RAF on here who's been to it. The Red Flag is as near of a real war as anyone can get to. The systems, combat scenarios and actual simulated combat is as realistic as it is to press the firing button and a real missile chasing away the target.

DACT is just a small part of it. Like airborne refueling. The Red Flag goes over many types of warfare, small force, large force, multipliers, escorts, intercepts, re-engagement, ground attack, anti-radiation combat, etc, etc. So you can't take the ceiling of a DACT and limitations of Radar utilization from one scenario and make the entire exercise look like its a bunch of people flying DACT and playing Dog Fights like Clint Eastwood's Western movies.....remember the "duals"?

After all, it was the same Red Flag where the EFT's got a lock onto an F-22 through their IR sensors . Not sure if in real life, an F-22 would ever come to a visual range envelop. But still, EFT had a lock and the pictures were posted online like Christmas e-cards !