Pakistan to buy 40 SU-35 or Euro Fighter soon

[Hassan Guy]

EFT is a very lethal air superiority aircraft. During mockup combat exercises the Luftwaffe was able to score multiple "kills" over the F-22 Raptor.

 

[mike2000 is back]

We already got HQ-9, Just wait for China to copy S-400

Ahahahahah ahahahahah.........almost made me choke.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Ahahahahah ahahahahah.........almost made me choke.

And I was like.......

 

[randomradio]

PAF tested M2K in 1982-83, 1994-6(M2k-5 was tested), 2003-4(M2k-9 was tested)
PAF tested Su-27 and Mig-29 in late 1990 in Russia..
PAF tested Gripen for nearly 2 years in 2003-2005.
PAF tested Rafale for a year in 2003-2004.
PAF tested EFT for a year in 2003-2004.
PAF tested upgraded Mig-29 in 2005-6 in Ukraine.
PAF Pilots are flying Su-27, Su-30MKK in PLAAF and PLANAF.
PAF pilots are flying M2k-5 in Qatar airforce.
PAF pilots are flying M2k-9 in UAE airforce.
PAF Pilots are F-15 in KSA airforce.

The tests are too old, from more than a decade ago, making the information of the time irrelevant today. I did say the M-2000 is more public than other jets. And just flying a few jets isn't enough. You need to be able to fly those aircraft in your own territory and test them using your own weapons. You can't do that sitting in Qatar or UAE.

Our experience is far more recent, 2010, and we know the future road map of all the jets PAF is interested in today, including the latest information. Nothing much has changed on the jets since 2010, we have even tested future avionics on their prototypes, including AESA.

The only jet IAF is unfamiliar with is the J-10.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar

They are buying it and will still be buying it "tomorrow" when my grandkids are waiting to fight some supposed Ghazwa that will be still to come then.

 

[randomradio]

Why I have a feeling that Indians won't be happy if we but EFT.....The way you're continuously emphasizing that

1) Pakistan should buy J-31 and

2) India has lot of info about EFT so Pakistan will be not much in advantage versus India if buys EFT.........

These two points of yours make me think that Indians will be pissed and frustrated if Pakistan gets its hands on EFT because EFT is too great to be ignored and comparable to Rafael and SU30 MKI and because you guys have developed mindset that Pakistan can't purchase western aircraft or technology and will only rely on Chinese tech - a less matured one compared to western ones.....So if PAKISTAN buys EFT, you will be shocked to see such formidable beast in PAF hands....

Is it true?

Not at all. Please buy the EFT. The Germans have reduced the service life of the jets to 1500 hours due to manufacturing defects. The partners can barely afford to fly it. Only the British are pushing on, but struggling because the other partners are pussyfooting on the modernization program. Unlike Gripen or Rafale, where the numbers are continuously increasing and development programs being advanced, the Typhoon is actually struggling. I'm more than happy if the PAF purchases the EFT.

My opinion of PAF purchasing the J-10 instead is from the point of view of a well-wisher. The jet is ready and many technologies have been added to it since 2005. I also suggested the J-31 because it will be ready by 2025, while TFX will be ready only after 2030, so PAF could get a 5th gen jet earlier.

It doesn't matter what PAF buys, it won't affect IAF anymore.

 

[Ultima Thule]

USA

Actually both of these jets... due to strategic importance Russia decided to sell Su -35 and pak -fa, European powers giving both Rafale and typhoon.. French rejected to sell Rafel to India ..USA to keep its influence , USA will sell Raptos

USA will sell Raptors to you in you wet dreams oh you forget you have 100 generation LEAST CAPABLE AIRCRAFT so why you need only 5th generation RAPTOR?

 

[Hassan Guy]

Not at all. Please buy the EFT. The Germans have reduced the service life of the jets to 1500 hours due to manufacturing defects. The partners can barely afford to fly it. Only the British are pushing on, but struggling because the other partners are pussyfooting on the modernization program. Unlike Gripen or Rafale, where the numbers are continuously increasing and development programs being advanced, the Typhoon is actually struggling. I'm more than happy if the PAF purchases the EFT.

My opinion of PAF purchasing the J-10 instead is from the point of view of a well-wisher. The jet is ready and many technologies have been added to it since 2005. I also suggested the J-31 because it will be ready by 2025, while TFX will be ready only after 2030, so PAF could get a 5th gen jet earlier.

It doesn't matter what PAF buys, it won't affect IAF anymore.

Source?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

They are buying it and will still be buying it "tomorrow" when my grandkids are waiting to fight some supposed Ghazwa that will be still to come then.

ROFLMAO.........

It doesn't matter what PAF buys, it won't affect IAF anymore.

hmm....Lets see what PAF boys do with EFT OR SU35.....Your whole post was fine and right except above one....Care to elaborate?

 

[ziaulislam]

the thread should be closed


Pakistan is not buying nor it can afford to buy
india a 10X greater economy and cannot afford 36 jets how come we afford 40
stick to thunder and if possible used f-16s. targeting 18 squadrons with strength of 320-350(250+100 or 200+100+50, thunders, f-16s, PG/5th gen)
focus on stand off weapons
develop more indigenous weapons like medium range SAM
improve your navy and more mechanized army
decrease the army man power strength
and focus on economy

 

[Kabira]

the thread should be closed


Pakistan is not buying nor it can afford to buy
india a 10X greater economy and cannot afford 36 jets how come we afford 40
stick to thunder and if possible used f-16s. targeting 18 squadrons with strength of 320-350(250+100 or 200+100+50, thunders, f-16s, PG/5th gen)
focus on stand off weapons
develop more indigenous weapons like medium range SAM
improve your navy and more mechanized army
decrease the army man power strength
and focus on economy

But we can dream right?

 

[randomradio]

some birds arent for sale due to the high risk in stealing highly sensitive equipment, the f22 being a good example.

The reason some jets aren't exported is because they have priceless technology that other countries can only dream of. The F-35 is a superior jet compared to the F-22, but the F-22 was not exported because it was unique at the time. They fear that some information may leak out and they wouldn't want that.

That's also why the Americans haven't yet brought the F-35 to tenders. Too much information is given away during tenders. Critical details that India has for all jets in tenders to date, including future capabilities and their time frame. Such information is detrimental to PAF.

the mk2s for the uae are incredibly advanced, they paid a huge amount of money to get them upgraded. the qataris not so much as the uae. and from what i have been told a huge number of the uaeaf are pakistanis.

The UAE M2ks are similar but still inferior to the Indian M-2000UPG. It has 10 years worth of new technologies in it. It has a lot of extra equipment, including for nuclear weapons.

every plane is specific to a country, yes. but its aerodynamic capabilities are not. also the mig-29m are all russain. heck even the Egyptains are getting better mig-29s than india. yes theres are new but your are being upgraded and not to their standard.

No, the Egyptian M-29s are not as good as the Indian ones at least in terms of avionics. There are a few reasons for that. However the Egyptian M-29s are the newer models, but that's irrelevant.

Also, the MKI has unique aerodynamic qualities not present on Chinese Flankers. The MKI have canards and TVC. So even the aerodynamics is different.

the russains can sell the mkm,mka or any sm export variant to any country they want and india can only write an angry letters and summon their ambassador. the only difference between the mkm and the mki is the avionics.

Any sale of the MKI requires Indian permission. We paid for its development. And whatever systems were made for the MKI were modernized for the Su-35, like the Su-35's and PAK FA's radars were derived from MKI's Bars radar. Now we are paying a lot of money for the upgrade, which will be used to upgrade the other export jets also.

The MKM/MKI/MKA/SM differences are irrelevant because India was part of the project since its inception. India trained Malaysian Su-30 pilots. Parts of the MKM were made in India. We have advanced relations with the Malaysians.

dont even bother talking about the rafale, your looking at post October now for signing due to the sub leak, wont be surprised if its next year.

The sub leak wasn't critical. It was information that's given in presentations when countries express interest in purchasing the system.

every plane has defects, the iaf should know more than anyone. there will alway be problems with high end kit but in the end they will be solved. and have been. the f35 is a prime example of this.

Yes, hence irrelevant.

 

[hussain0216]

Why create these threads every week ????????????

PAF looking @ 40 Euro Fighters with a photograph of an rich Sheikh next to nthe thread.

Some pride is needed AND above all a sense of understanding of the ground reality and the real world that PAF finds itself in

NOT BLAMING PAF but

recently GOP failed to buy 8 bew block 52 for a very modest sum of money of $800 million
despite the fact that PAF has ample vast experience and the BLOCK52 is equal of any SU30MKI or UPGRADED MIRAGE 2000-5 ....

why pak govt failed to deliver this is well known..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So coming back to multi billion dollar purchase stories of SU35/Typhoon or J31 why put yourself through these

listen to your seniors who suggest DONT LOOK BEYOND USED F16 and more thunders for next 5 years

The F16 deal was simple the U.S was supposed to subsidise it, they refused to subsidise so we refused to buy

JF17 replaces all of Pakistan's legacy fighters
F16 forms the speartip until PAF plans come to fruition

J31 wont be ready until the 2020s
And Pakistan has been invited to join the TFX programme

There is space for another platform like Su 35 or Euro Fighters

We are not like india where we have decades of hangama about the ever round the corner Tejas and mother of all defence deals Rafael

 

[randomradio]

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[Hamza913]

We can't get the Typhoon, the UK won't sell it. The Su-35 or F-35 are our only immediate advanced fighter options.