Pakistan Successfully Tested Babur 3 Cruise Missile launch from Submarine : ISPR

[Nakash Ahsan]

Yaa, they can detect shitt because they made of shitt , only thing they failed to catch is infiltration at loc ...

Then plz detect rapers in india with that sat

 

[SQ8]

https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/securite/20161226SEC 437.txt

Now take your tushy back to the cooling pump of the "Indian" radar that was supposed to track it (which you're late for by two weeks anyway).

Don't reply to thr nation that belongs under the definition of "whiners" in the encyclopedia Brittanica. Largest population of sore losers anywhere in the world- almost 80% of them suffer from this condition.

Don't reply, just report so we can throw them back to the garbage heap of the internet whete they go and try to make more accounts under proxy ips.

douchebag @Penguin @gambit @Rashid Mahmood @TaimiKhan @Oscar @The Deterrent have explained it on previous pages.. i can understand ur butthurt though

Kaha hai mun na lag!
Only report, lets us deal with them

 

[WaLeEdK2]

@DESERT FIGHTER @Windjammer

Russian SLCM to Syria. Same angle basically. But ours is fake looool. Just give it up. Denial is in their blood. Even if you give blatant evidence.

I don't think you have to issue a notam any ways.

 

[dexter]

Congratulations to fellow Pakistanis,
Indeed its a remarkable achievement to be proud of and who knows what more accomplishments lies ahead for us.
Looks like indians are slowly accepting the reality after their failed claims but still some people are like,
Kutte ki dum tedi ki tedi !

Pakistan tests Babur III missile: How should India interpret this latest move?
by Abhijnan Rej
Jan, 10 2017

In a major development on Monday, the Pakistan military confirmed that it had successfully tested a sea-launched nuclear-capable cruise missile (SLCM), the Babur III. In a public statement, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) department noted that the Babur III SLCM has a range of 450 kilometres and “will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence.” An independent open-source geospatial-intelligence handle on Twitter @rajfortyseven – well regarded by Indian and international military analysts – had geolocated the launch and estimated the speed of the missile to be 6,750 kilometres per hour.

Representational image. AFP

While the release was silent about the submarine platform to which Babur III will be integrated, press reports suggest that the Pakistan Navy's Agosta 90B class — the so-called Khalid class — submarines are a natural existing platform of choice; these submarines have cruise-missile launch capabilities. The SLCM itself is a variant of the land-launched cruise-missile (LLCM) system, Babur II. Pakistan had tested an enhanced version of this LLCM mid-December last year.

With the successful test of the Babur III SLCM, Pakistan is now a step closer to a functional nuclear triad, albeit in a very limited way. While this does complicate Indian strategic calculations in the event that the two countries go to war, it is important to establish three key points this test does — or does not — signify vis-à-vis Pakistan's capabilities, doctrines and timing.

One, for close observers of Pakistan's military, the test-launch of Babur-3 does not come entirely as a surprise. Pakistan had established a nuclear naval authority — the Naval Strategic Force Command — in 2013. Indian naval analysts have maintained that it was only a matter of time before the land-launched Babur system was adapted for submarine launches. But for a naval arm of a nuclear triad to be truly successful — in the sense of being survivable in event of combat — the type of submarines to be used to launch the missiles becomes equally important as the missiles themselves.

Ideally, a benchmark nuclear triad will incorporate nuclear-powered submarines that can stay under water almost indefinitely. Such boats, coupled to nuclear sea-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM), can also be used for long-range force projection. The naval arm of the Indian nuclear triad is supported by the INS Arihant — a nuclear-powered submarine with SLBM capabilities — which was quietly commissioned by the Indian Navy in August last year. The premier weapons for INS Arihant are the K-4 SLBMs which reportedly have a range of 3,500 kilometres. The K-4s were tested in April last year. The existing Pakistani Khalid-class submarines are diesel-powered, based on dated French technology. The Babur III — as noted earlier — has a range of a measly 450 kilometres.

Of course, the targets for Pakistani submarines are quite different from that of India's. The Indian Navy seeks to operate in the entire Indo-Pacific (to deter and deny Chinese capabilities) while the Pakistan Navy has a sole objective — to target India. For the former, nuclear-powered submarines are an imperative; for the latter, they are not.

Having said that, even with Babur III mated with the Khalid-class submarines, the Pakistani nuclear triad doesn't come close to meeting international standards at this stage.

Two, a submarine-based nuclear-weapons system only makes strategic sense as a second-strike capability. The scenario that drives the deployment of such systems is where a country deters its adversary from initiating a nuclear first-strike by guaranteeing that it will meet the same with an assured retaliatory second-strike. As such, nuclear triads bolster deterrence and strategic stability. Submarine-based launch systems are much more survivable than land-based ones and relatively more immune to defensive systems that the adversary may have in place to deter and defeat a second-strike. India has a declared policy of a nuclear No-First-Use (NFU), driven by its conventional superiority over Pakistan which assures Indian policy makers that a nuclear first-strike posture is unnecessary. Given this — and the fact that Pakistan's military remains fixated on India alone — how does one square it with Pakistan's quest for a nuclear triad?


There are precisely three possibilities here. One, Pakistan does not believe in India's NFU. This is plausible given the many statements from Rawalpindi brass along those lines. If this is the case – and admitting Pakistani paranoia – a submarine-launched nuclear-capability makes sense. Two, Pakistan believes in India's NFU but still wants to go ahead with such a capability. This could be because of its long-standing obsession with matching India weapon-for-weapon however unnecessary it may be. In which case, Babur III is yet another example of Pakistan military's vanity projects that have sapped so much of Pakistani resources and made the country dependent on extorting western powers.

Three — and this is the most troubling conjecture — Pakistan is prepared for nuclear war-fighting. In this scenario, the Pakistani naval nuclear capability exists as a third strike option, after having absorbed a massive retaliatory Indian second-strike in response to a Pakistani nuclear first-use which annihilates most of its cities and command chain. As far-fetched as this may be, for this to work (per Pakistani calculations), command over submarine-based nuclear weapons has to be delegated to the submarine captains. This increases the chances of rogue use — and forces India to contemplate the same grim scenario as with Pakistan's land-based tactical nuclear weapons. But here, a caveat is necessary. For such an admittedly strange war-fighting posture to work, the Pakistan Army has to trust the Pakistan Navy sufficiently to share nuclear launch authority. This, in turn, will break its monopoly as custodians of the country's crown jewels, with political consequences.

Finally, what should be made of the timing of the Babur III test? Not much. As tempting as it is to read this as a response to India's new Pakistan policy under Prime Minister Narendra Modi — and in light of the so-called surgical strikes of late October — there isn't anything about the Babur III tests that is stunningly original. Granted, it is a major development. But New Delhi is unlikely to lose sleep over it. If this was indeed an attempt at nuclear signalling, Pakistan has failed. Could the Chinese have goaded the Pakistanis — following the Agni V and IV Indian tests of December — to do it? This is possible but, again, the efficacy of such a China-Pakistan signal to India is unclear.

The author is a fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi and a national security columnist for Firstpost. Views expressed here are personal. He tweets @AbhijnanRej

Source : http://www.firstpost.com/india/paki...india-interpret-this-latest-move-3196456.html

 

[Verve]

Mashallah. Great achievement by our scientists.


Just curious, were the sanctions after this test was carried out (a few weeks back) and news of the test only released now?

 

[SQ8]

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/a-not-so-silent-war-babur-3-ssk-interception.471758/page-6#ixzz4VRZnXJjT

@Penguin @Oscar What is your opinion on this?
I believe their shouldn't be any problem in integrating Babur-3 with Agosta-90B, just like @Fenrir mentioned above. Furthermore, since the present submersible mobile testing platform can launch it without using a complex mechanism like a firing solution, the same can be applied here. The sub just has to achieve launch depth, level-off and eject the weapon. The missile's INS can then take over the boost phase, and later the A-GNSS + INS can guide it over sea till it reaches land, whereby TERCOM + DSMAC guidance begins.

However, the question of initialization of the INS remains.

Not much different to how the h-4 system works on the mirages. Pretty independent from the other systems apart from stores management.

The same goes for this, for all that matters to SUBTICs- babur is just another torpedo in the the tube.

 

[maxpayne]

Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor ‏@OfficialDGISPR 5m5 minutes ago
#Pakistan successfully test fired first Submarine launched Cruise Missile Babur-3. Rg 450 Km. #COAS congrats Nation and the team involved.

https://twitter.com/x/status/818427713627295745

Finally they have revealed it!

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Don't reply to thr nation that belongs under the definition of "whiners" in the encyclopedia Brittanica. Largest population of sore losers anywhere in the world- almost 80% of them suffer from this condition.

Don't reply, just report so we can throw them back to the garbage heap of the internet whete they go and try to make more accounts under proxy ips.


Kaha hai mun na lag!
Only report, lets us deal with them

Sir, are notams compulsory? Babur seems like it was close enough to the ground so there was no need for one.

 

[SQ8]

Congratulations to fellow Pakistanis,
Indeed its a remarkable achievement to be proud of and who knows what more accomplishments lies ahead for us.
Looks like indians are slowly accepting the reality after their failed claims but still some people are like,
Kutte ki dum tedi ki tedi !

submarines are an imperative; for the latter, they are not.

Having said that, even with Babur III mated with the Khalid-class submarines, the Pakistani nuclear triad doesn't come close to meeting international standards at this stage.

Two, a submarine-based nuclear-weapons system only makes strategic sense as a second-strike capability. The scenario that drives the deployment of such systems is where a country deters its adversary from initiating a nuclear first-strike by guaranteeing that it will meet the same with an assured retaliatory second-strike. As such, nuclear triads bolster deterrence and strategic stability. Submarine-based launch systems are much more survivable than land-based ones and relatively more immune to defensive systems that the adversary may have in place to deter and defeat a second-strike. India has a declared policy of a nuclear No-First-Use (NFU), driven by its conventional superiority over Pakistan which assures Indian policy makers that a nuclear first-strike posture is unnecessary. Given this — and the fact that Pakistan's military remains fixated on India alone — how does one square it with Pakistan's quest for a nuclear triad?


There are precisely three possibilities here. One, Pakistan does not believe in India's NFU. This is plausible given the many statements from Rawalpindi brass along those lines. If this is the case – and admitting Pakistani paranoia – a submarine-launched nuclear-capability makes sense. Two, Pakistan believes in India's NFU but still wants to go ahead with such a capability. This could be because of its long-standing obsession with matching India weapon-for-weapon however unnecessary it may be. In which case, Babur III is yet another example of Pakistan military's vanity projects that have sapped so much of Pakistani resources and made the country dependent on extorting western powers.

Three — and this is the most troubling conjecture — Pakistan is prepared for nuclear war-fighting. In this scenario, the Pakistani naval nuclear capability exists as a third strike option, after having absorbed a massive retaliatory Indian second-strike in response to a Pakistani nuclear first-use which annihilates most of its cities and command chain. As far-fetched as this may be, for this to work (per Pakistani calculations), command over submarine-based nuclear weapons has to be delegated to the submarine captains. This increases the chances of rogue use — and forces India to contemplate the same grim scenario as with Pakistan's land-based tactical nuclear weapons. But here, a caveat is necessary. For such an admittedly strange war-fighting posture to work, the Pakistan Army has to trust the Pakistan Navy sufficiently to share nuclear launch authority. This, in turn, will break its monopoly as custodians of the country's crown jewels, with political consequences.

Finally, what should be made of the timing of the Babur III test? Not much. As tempting as it is to read this as a response to India's new Pakistan policy under Prime Minister Narendra Modi — and in light of the so-called surgical strikes of late October — there isn't anything about the Babur III tests that is stunningly original. Granted, it is a major development. But New Delhi is unlikely to lose sleep over it. If this was indeed an attempt at nuclear signalling, Pakistan has failed. Could the Chinese have goaded the Pakistanis — following the Agni V and IV Indian tests of December — to do it? This is possible but, again, the efficacy of such a China-Pakistan signal to India is unclear.

The author is a fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi and a national security columnist for Firstpost. Views expressed here are personal. He tweets @AbhijnanRej

Source : http://www.firstpost.com/india/paki...india-interpret-this-latest-move-3196456.html

Try to understand something very clearly. Just as with the Afghans, there is a section of Indians who are mentally and even physically incapable (they'll get sick) of digesting anything good about Pakistan. Take a look at this article too. Like someone trying to swallow bitter medicine he still tries to diss it. It is a national disease for them to see any other neighbor progress unless that neighbor kisses their feet. They do it to fellow Indians in their professional work environment, think of what they are capable against people they consider enemies.

That does not make them all bad, but as a percentage; there is much less genuine(and not emotional) hatred, jealousy or venom against India from Pakistan than the other way around.

 

[Death Walking Terror]

@DESERT FIGHTER @Windjammer

Russian SLCM to Syria. Same angle basically. But ours is fake looool. Just give it up. Denial is in their blood. Even if you give blatant evidence.

I don't think you have to issue a notam any ways.

Those Russian SLCMs are VLS launched, not from torpedo tubes.

 

[SQ8]

Sir, are notams compulsory? Babur seems like it was close enough to the ground so there was no need for one.

NOTAMS are compulsory, notifications to public regarding what happened on the day of the NOTAM are not.

There can be a NOTAM, we can test 7 systems. And tell the public 3 months later about only 4 of them.

Has happened before.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Those Russian SLCMs are VLS launched, not from torpedo tubes.

Doesn't matter if it is or not but torpedo tubes can have that trajectory as well. Agostas are capable of this.
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=67db2245-804c-46de-8146-8f21f14ab1ff

Like this Tomahawk (which the Babur is based off of). I don't understand what's there to argue?

 

[Mrc]

Congratulations to fellow Pakistanis,
Indeed its a remarkable achievement to be proud of and who knows what more accomplishments lies ahead for us.
Looks like indians are slowly accepting the reality after their failed claims but still some people are like,
Kutte ki dum tedi ki tedi !

Pakistan tests Babur III missile: How should India interpret this latest move?
by Abhijnan Rej
Jan, 10 2017

In a major development on Monday, the Pakistan military confirmed that it had successfully tested a sea-launched nuclear-capable cruise missile (SLCM), the Babur III. In a public statement, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) department noted that the Babur III SLCM has a range of 450 kilometres and “will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence.” An independent open-source geospatial-intelligence handle on Twitter @rajfortyseven – well regarded by Indian and international military analysts – had geolocated the launch and estimated the speed of the missile to be 6,750 kilometres per hour.

Representational image. AFP

like a slap on the arse would be true interpertation

While the release was silent about the submarine platform to which Babur III will be integrated, press reports suggest that the Pakistan Navy's Agosta 90B class — the so-called Khalid class — submarines are a natural existing platform of choice; these submarines have cruise-missile launch capabilities. The SLCM itself is a variant of the land-launched cruise-missile (LLCM) system, Babur II. Pakistan had tested an enhanced version of this LLCM mid-December last year.

With the successful test of the Babur III SLCM, Pakistan is now a step closer to a functional nuclear triad, albeit in a very limited way. While this does complicate Indian strategic calculations in the event that the two countries go to war, it is important to establish three key points this test does — or does not — signify vis-à-vis Pakistan's capabilities, doctrines and timing.

One, for close observers of Pakistan's military, the test-launch of Babur-3 does not come entirely as a surprise. Pakistan had established a nuclear naval authority — the Naval Strategic Force Command — in 2013. Indian naval analysts have maintained that it was only a matter of time before the land-launched Babur system was adapted for submarine launches. But for a naval arm of a nuclear triad to be truly successful — in the sense of being survivable in event of combat — the type of submarines to be used to launch the missiles becomes equally important as the missiles themselves.

Ideally, a benchmark nuclear triad will incorporate nuclear-powered submarines that can stay under water almost indefinitely. Such boats, coupled to nuclear sea-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM), can also be used for long-range force projection. The naval arm of the Indian nuclear triad is supported by the INS Arihant — a nuclear-powered submarine with SLBM capabilities — which was quietly commissioned by the Indian Navy in August last year. The premier weapons for INS Arihant are the K-4 SLBMs which reportedly have a range of 3,500 kilometres. The K-4s were tested in April last year. The existing Pakistani Khalid-class submarines are diesel-powered, based on dated French technology. The Babur III — as noted earlier — has a range of a measly 450 kilometres.

Of course, the targets for Pakistani submarines are quite different from that of India's. The Indian Navy seeks to operate in the entire Indo-Pacific (to deter and deny Chinese capabilities) while the Pakistan Navy has a sole objective — to target India. For the former, nuclear-powered submarines are an imperative; for the latter, they are not.

Having said that, even with Babur III mated with the Khalid-class submarines, the Pakistani nuclear triad doesn't come close to meeting international standards at this stage.

Two, a submarine-based nuclear-weapons system only makes strategic sense as a second-strike capability. The scenario that drives the deployment of such systems is where a country deters its adversary from initiating a nuclear first-strike by guaranteeing that it will meet the same with an assured retaliatory second-strike. As such, nuclear triads bolster deterrence and strategic stability. Submarine-based launch systems are much more survivable than land-based ones and relatively more immune to defensive systems that the adversary may have in place to deter and defeat a second-strike. India has a declared policy of a nuclear No-First-Use (NFU), driven by its conventional superiority over Pakistan which assures Indian policy makers that a nuclear first-strike posture is unnecessary. Given this — and the fact that Pakistan's military remains fixated on India alone — how does one square it with Pakistan's quest for a nuclear triad?


There are precisely three possibilities here. One, Pakistan does not believe in India's NFU. This is plausible given the many statements from Rawalpindi brass along those lines. If this is the case – and admitting Pakistani paranoia – a submarine-launched nuclear-capability makes sense. Two, Pakistan believes in India's NFU but still wants to go ahead with such a capability. This could be because of its long-standing obsession with matching India weapon-for-weapon however unnecessary it may be. In which case, Babur III is yet another example of Pakistan military's vanity projects that have sapped so much of Pakistani resources and made the country dependent on extorting western powers.

Three — and this is the most troubling conjecture — Pakistan is prepared for nuclear war-fighting. In this scenario, the Pakistani naval nuclear capability exists as a third strike option, after having absorbed a massive retaliatory Indian second-strike in response to a Pakistani nuclear first-use which annihilates most of its cities and command chain. As far-fetched as this may be, for this to work (per Pakistani calculations), command over submarine-based nuclear weapons has to be delegated to the submarine captains. This increases the chances of rogue use — and forces India to contemplate the same grim scenario as with Pakistan's land-based tactical nuclear weapons. But here, a caveat is necessary. For such an admittedly strange war-fighting posture to work, the Pakistan Army has to trust the Pakistan Navy sufficiently to share nuclear launch authority. This, in turn, will break its monopoly as custodians of the country's crown jewels, with political consequences.

Finally, what should be made of the timing of the Babur III test? Not much. As tempting as it is to read this as a response to India's new Pakistan policy under Prime Minister Narendra Modi — and in light of the so-called surgical strikes of late October — there isn't anything about the Babur III tests that is stunningly original. Granted, it is a major development. But New Delhi is unlikely to lose sleep over it. If this was indeed an attempt at nuclear signalling, Pakistan has failed. Could the Chinese have goaded the Pakistanis — following the Agni V and IV Indian tests of December — to do it? This is possible but, again, the efficacy of such a China-Pakistan signal to India is unclear.

The author is a fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi and a national security columnist for Firstpost. Views expressed here are personal. He tweets @AbhijnanRej

Source : http://www.firstpost.com/india/paki...india-interpret-this-latest-move-3196456.html

like a slap on the arse

NOTAMS are compulsory, notifications to public regarding what happened on the day of the NOTAM are not.

There can be a NOTAM, we can test 7 systems. And tell the public 3 months later about only 4 of them.

Has happened before.

and probably happened this time as well....

 

[AMG_12]

Its super hard for Indians to swallow Pakistan's success or even anyone else's success, bunch of jealous morons mera kutta "kutta" tumhara kutta "Tommy" is their mentality. No matter how much they try to westernize, they'd still be mirasis.

 

[Hassan Guy]

like a slap on the arse

Gold.