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Pakistan’s Tests New Sub-Launched Nuclear-Capable Cruise Missile. What Now?
Pakistan’s successful test of the Babur-3 submarine-launched cruise missile presents new challenges.

By Ankit Panda and Vipin Narang
January 10, 2017


On Monday, Pakistan announced that it had successfully carried out the first-ever test of its nuclear-capable Babur-3 submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM) from a submerged platform. The test took place at an unspecified location in the Indian Ocean off the Pakistani coast. Maj. Gen. Asif Ghafoor of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Public Relations released limited footage of the test on Twitter that shows the missile’s ejection, launch, and finally striking a target with reasonable accuracy. The Babur-3 SLCM is officially rated for a range of 450 kilometers.

Pakistan’s Babur-3 SLCM is ultimately designed for use with its Agosta 90bBdiesel-electric submarines, which have reportedly been modified to enable SLCM launches, but remain untested in this regard. Per the Pakistani military’s statement regarding the test, the Babur-3 “is a sea-based variant of Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) Babur-2, which was successfully tested earlier in December, last year.”

Critically, the Babur-3 is capable of nuclear payload delivery. Once fully developed and tested on-board a submarine, Pakistan would possess – in theory, at least – a sea-based second strike capability. Pakistan has been working toward this capability for years; in 2012, it set up a Naval Strategic Force Command. Pakistan’s statement notes this with little ambiguity: “Babur-3 SLCM in land-attack mode, is capable of delivering various types of payloads and will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence.” Specifically, the statement noted that the Babur-3 test was a “step towards reinforcing [Pakistan’s] policy of credible minimum deterrence.”

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Pakistan’s inaugural test of the Babur-3 SLCM raises several questions regarding the future of strategic stability between it and India, as both march toward a nuclear triad. For reference, India tested a 3,000 km submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) variant dubbed K-4 (the naval version of the Agni III missile) from an underwater pontoon in March 2014 before testing it from the Arihant submarine last year. Specifically, the consequences of Pakistan acquiring what it perceives as a credible sea-based second strike capability, depending on a range of factors, may both stabilize and destabilize the delicate nuclear balance between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed rivals.

First, regarding a nuclear SLCM capability, the upside is that if Pakistan believes the Babur-3 will enhance the survivability of its second strike forces, it can afford to have a less forward-leaning posture with its land-based tactical nuclear forces. This is primarily because Pakistani military planners will have less reason to fear the “use it or lose it” dilemma at the start of a conflict with India. So if this is a step toward bolstering Pakistan’s belief in the survivability of its strategic forces, that should contribute to strategic stability and may not require its planning to necessarily prepare for the early use of lower-order nuclear options. Pakistan’s possession of the Babur-3 means that it can be more confident overall that any first Indian strike would not be totally disarming.

Nevertheless, there are several problems with the above. First, are Pakistani nuclear submarines actually survivable? The belief that submarine-based nuclear forces are almost completely invulnerable against modern anti-submarine warfare techniques is overstated. The United States’ SSBN force might be, but regional power submarines – such as Pakistan’s Agostas – almost certainly are not. They are noisy and are theoretically more easily detectable than U.S. nuclear submarines. The Pakistani Agosta-class submarines are diesel-electric and so they are quieter than first-generation nuclear submarines, but these boats are far from completely invulnerable. Pakistan possesses just three Agosta 90B submarines, the PNS/M Khalid, the PNS/M Saad, and the PNS/M Hamza. (Pakistan may receive eight modified Chinese S20 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines that may be capable of fielding the SLCM.)

Like India, Pakistan will have to choose which model to manage its limited nuclear submarines. A ‘bastion’ model that keeps them in port until a crisis makes them extremely vulnerable to being sunk as they are flushed out of known locations. A ‘continuous deterrent patrol’ model runs the risk of unauthorized use and accidents in a crowded Indian Ocean, with possibly limited suitable deterrent patrol boxes, while also giving the Indian Navy ample opportunity to track the signature of the submarines to sink them in war.

Of course, the survivability problem is not one for not only China and India, and certainly Pakistan, but there is increasing evidence that the U.S. was pretty good at tracking even Soviet SSBNs during the Cold War. Whether India can track and kill Agostas remains an unknown, but is theoretically possible. So despite Pakistani perceptions of the Babur-3-equipped Agosta-class submarines contributing to its deterrent, the survivability question may prove destabilizing.

Second, will Pakistan deploy both conventional and nuclear Agostas, and how will adversaries know the difference? Pakistan having its Agosta-class submarines carry missiles tipped with both conventional and nuclear warheads is a recipe for a major catastrophe borne of misperception. In a crisis or war, the Indian Navy will try to sink anything it can find. If Indian ASW forces find a Pakistani Agosta-class submarine, they may have to operate under the assumption that the submarine in question is carrying nuclear SLCMs in addition to conventional warheads. Discrimination, thus, will be a major problem and portends serious accidents and unintended escalation.

Finally, does Pakistan have a sufficient and robust enough command and control infrastructure to safely and reliable manage a submarine based nuclear force? This is another area where the Pakistani Navy faces a problem common to many countries in possession of nuclear submarine forces. How exactly will Pakistan manage a submarine-based nuclear force, where the warhead will have to be pre-mated with the Babur-3 SLCM before the submarine leaves port? Does Pakistan have enough confidence in its very low frequency (VLF) and extremely low frequency (ELF) communication with these Agosta submarines that it can afford to put negative controls on the weapons such that they cannot be fired without central inputs? Probably not.

This leaves us with a dangerous and destabilizing state of affairs where the captain of a Pakistani Navy submarine will likely end up in possession of at least the physical ability to release nuclear weapons when on deterrent patrol. This could lead to serious unauthorized use or accidents. If the submarine captain cannot reach the civilian-led National Command Authority, will he assume it has been destroyed and release nuclear weapons of his own volition? If the answer to this is “yes,” then Pakistan’s sea-based deterrent will be based around a drastically different overarching principle from how it claims to manage its land-based forces, which are kept under central control until deep into a crisis.

Monday’s test of the Babur-3 should encourage analysts in New Delhi and Islamabad to seriously think through some of the above questions. For both India and Pakistan — but especially Pakistan — a question to mull over seriously is whether the command and control (C2) challenges of maintaining a submarine nuclear force are so great and simply generate more vulnerabilities than the deterrence benefits of a questionably survivable platform in a shooting war. Despite the Pakistani military exhortations that the Babur-3 reinforces its doctrine of “credible minimum deterrence,” pushing ahead with an undersea deterrent without full consideration of the associated costs may ultimately prove deleterious to South Asian strategic stability.

Ankit Panda (@nktpnd) is senior editor at The Diplomat. Vipin Narang (@NarangVipin) is an associate professor of political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
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The article is full of biases and misconceptions, the authors supposedly well educated, won't mention that the Agosta-90B has AIP, since they want to believe it is like their noisy subs, secondly, submarine warfare is a cat and mouse game, they only think of India's naval capabilities, they seem to forget that some Pakistani subs can hunt their nuclear subs, AC, destroyers, frigates and most importantly, their noisy diesel-electric subs with no AIP that have to surface very often (every 4 or so days)..
 
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Btw, where did you get that number of 5 SSKs?
Objective: 1 submarine out at sea at all times.

1 sub on station at sea
1 sub underway, sailing from port to station (upcoming relieve)
1 sub underway, sailing from station back to port (relieved)
1 sub in port, getting ready for next tour, crew r&r.
1 sub undergoing maintenance.

It is the same for e.g. carrier, AEW platforms etc.

3 would be a an absolute minimum, 5 an effective minimum, as you need some slack for training at sea and participating in exercises as well. (remember, you are talking strategic deterrent here, something that must be guaranteed to be available at all times, all the time).
 
Objective: 1 submarine out at sea at all times.

1 sub on station at sea
1 sub underway, sailing from port to station (upcoming relieve)
1 sub underway, sailing from station back to port (relieved)
1 sub in port, getting ready for next tour, crew r&r.
1 sub undergoing maintenance.

It is the same for e.g. carrier, AEW platforms etc.

3 would be a an absolute minimum, 5 an effective minimum, as you need some slack for training at sea and participating in exercises as well. (remember, you are talking strategic deterrent here, something that must be guaranteed to be available at all times, all the time).

So you mean Russia and France who have 1 aircraft carrier each don't have a credible force?

Btw, is that on station/port to station/station to port/getting ready/maintenance logic your own? Can you please provide a technical reference for it? Thanks in advance.
 
The article is full of biases and misconceptions, the authors supposedly well educated , won't mention that the Agosta-90B has AIP, since they want to believe it is like their noisy subs, secondly, submarine warfare is a cat and mouse game, they only think of India's naval capabilities, they seem to forget that some Pakistani subs can hunt their nuclear subs, AC, destroyers, frigates and most importantly, their noisy diesel -electric subs with no AIP that have to surface very often (every 4 or so days)..
There actually is little wrong with this article. The only thing I find fault with is this bit:

"The United States’ SSBN force might be, but regional power submarines – such as Pakistan’s Agostas – almost certainly are not. They are noisy and are theoretically more easily detectable than U.S. nuclear submarines. The Pakistani Agosta-class submarines are diesel-electric and so they are quieter than first-generation nuclear submarines, but these boats are far from completely invulnerable."

Modern SSKs (and Agosta 90B certainly still falls in that category) actually are quieter than SSNs when they are crawling about (SSNs nuclear reactors require constant cooling i.e. coolant pumping noise is made constantly). It is during fast, longer distance transit that the situation is reversed, as the SSK will have to use diesels.

AIP doesn 't make SSKs quieter per se (that also depends on what type of AIP is used, e.g. Sterling en gine versus fuel cells). It does make them less easy to detect because there is less need to come close to the surface to snort.

IN has very few nuclear subs: 1 leased SSN and 1 (limited capability) SSBN. While the latter will do its best to stay well clear of any PN vessel, the former won't and will likely be accompanying an IN carrier group going into battle. Whether that SSN will or will not have advantage over and AIP equipped SSK, will depend at least in part on where the encounter will take place (i.e. close to a coast or somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean).

The 'noisy' IN submarines consist of the big (more 'ocean going') Russian Kilo's, which are actually pretty quiet and possibly equipped with ASW-variant of Club missile family (giving engagement range advan tages vis a vis an other sub), and the much smaller (more 'coastal') Type 209/1500s. IN has more 'depth' in the sense that because it is n umerically superior it can sustain ship losses better without quickly ceasing to be an effective naval force.
 
The article is full of biases and misconceptions, the authors supposedly well educated , won't mention that the Agosta-90B has AIP, since they want to believe it is like their noisy subs, secondly, submarine warfare is a cat and mouse game, they only think of India's naval capabilities, they seem to forget that some Pakistani subs can hunt their nuclear subs, AC, destroyers, frigates and most importantly, their noisy diesel -electric subs with no AIP that have to surface very often (every 4 or so days)..

Authors are Ankit Panda and Vipin Narang. Says it all.

It is a bitter pill for our enemies. They are desperately trying to downplay our achievement. They also did it when we became a nuclear power and developed our ballistic missile capabilities. Today, our matured and lethal ballistic and cruise missile capabilities speak volume. I can't wait for the Chinese subs to arrive. I think we will have further matured our SLCM capabilities enormously. Range would have been increased. Other enhancements would have been made. My guess is that until then we will also have tested an SLBM.

Pakistan is clearly readying its sea launched capabilities before the Chinese subs are inducted. This sudden test isn't a coincidence. The timing is impeccable.

These are panicking times for the enemy. They have underestimated Pakistan from the word go. Pakistan is flexing its muscles and the enemy is scratching its head.
 
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So you mean Russia and France who have 1 aircraft carrier each don't have a credible force?

Btw, is that on station/port to station/station to port/getting ready/maintenance logic your own? Can you please provide a technical reference for it? Thanks in advance.
It depends on what you want your carrier force and navy to be able to do. As is, neither the French nor the Brits are by themselves in a position to have 1 carrier at a 1 particular spot indefinitely, unlike the USN. That doesn 't mean the Brits or French cannot and do not have an effective carrier strike group that they can send out out area for some time.

Consider that there is a reason why India is aiming for a 3 carriers force (i.e. 1 available for each coast, plus a spare) and China for a 4 carrier force in the near-to-medium term. There also is a reason why the UK is trying very hard to have 2 CV hulls, rather than just 1. And France is known to have some desire for a second PA. (Thus, for a hypothetical purely European force, one would have 3-4 carriers). Con sider USSR built 4 Kiev class and 1 Kuznetsov class while a 2nd was close to completion (now Liaoning) and an even larger carrier Ulyanovsk started building with a 2nd one projected (i.e. 4 'small' VTOL cariers + 4 large[r] STOBAR carriers).

These numbers are not a coincidence. There is a reason the USN attempts to maintain at least 10 carriers (i.e. to be able to deal with two regional contingencies simultaneously.)
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...-regional-contingency-military-for-21-century

Bottom-Up Review: Analysis of Key Dod Assumptions
https://books.google.nl/books?id=uS...ge&q=10 carriers "regional conflicts"&f=false

See also the number of AEWC aircraft in various air forces, or the number of SSBN of various navies (esp. those that have them but that were/are not the big players like Russia and US)
 
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Pakistan’s Tests New Sub-Launched Nuclear-Capable Cruise Missile. What Now?

Pakistan’s successful test of the Babur-3 submarine-launched cruise missile presents new challenges.
By Ankit Panda and Vipin Narang

On Monday, Pakistan announced that it had successfully carried out the first-ever test of its nuclear-capable Babur-3 submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM) from a submerged platform. The test took place at an unspecified location in the Indian Ocean off the Pakistani coast. Maj. Gen. Asif Ghafoor of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Public Relations released limited footage of the test on Twitter that shows the missile’s ejection, launch, and finally striking a target with reasonable accuracy. The Babur-3 SLCM is officially rated for a range of 450 kilometers.

Pakistan’s Babur-3 SLCM is ultimately designed for use with its Agosta 90bBdiesel-electric submarines, which have reportedly been modified to enable SLCM launches, but remain untested in this regard. Per the Pakistani military’s statement regarding the test, the Babur-3 “is a sea-based variant of Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) Babur-2, which was successfully tested earlier in December, last year.”

Critically, the Babur-3 is capable of nuclear payload delivery. Once fully developed and tested on-board a submarine, Pakistan would possess – in theory, at least – a sea-based second strike capability. Pakistan has been working toward this capability for years; in 2012, it set up a Naval Strategic Force Command. Pakistan’s statement notes this with little ambiguity: “Babur-3 SLCM in land-attack mode, is capable of delivering various types of payloads and will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence.” Specifically, the statement noted that the Babur-3 test was a “step towards reinforcing [Pakistan’s] policy of credible minimum deterrence.”
Pakistan’s inaugural test of the Babur-3 SLCM raises several questions regarding the future of strategic stability between it and India, as both march toward a nuclear triad. For reference, India tested a 3,000 km submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) variant dubbed K-4 (the naval version of the Agni III missile) from an underwater pontoon in March 2014 before testing it from the Arihant submarine last year.


Specifically, the consequences of Pakistan acquiring what it perceives as a credible sea-based second strike capability, depending on a range of factors, may both stabilize and destabilize the delicate nuclear balance between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed rivals.
First, regarding a nuclear SLCM capability, the upside is that if Pakistan believes the Babur-3 will enhance the survivability of its second strike forces, it can afford to have a less forward-leaning posture with its land-based tactical nuclear forces. This is primarily because Pakistani military planners will have less reason to fear the “use it or lose it” dilemma at the start of a conflict with India.

So if this is a step toward bolstering Pakistan’s belief in the survivability of its strategic forces, that should contribute to strategic stability and may not require its planning to necessarily prepare for the early use of lower-order nuclear options. Pakistan’s possession of the Babur-3 means that it can be more confident overall that any first Indian strike would not be totally disarming.

Nevertheless, there are several problems with the above.


First, are Pakistani nuclear submarines actually survivable?
The belief that submarine-based nuclear forces are almost completely invulnerable against modern anti-submarine warfare techniques is overstated. The United States’ SSBN force might be, but regional power submarines – such as Pakistan’s Agostas – almost certainly are not. They are noisy and are theoretically more easily detectable than U.S. nuclear submarines. The Pakistani Agosta-class submarines are diesel-electric and so they are quieter than first-generation nuclear submarines, but these boats are far from completely invulnerable. Pakistan possesses just three Agosta 90B submarines, the PNS/M Khalid, the PNS/M Saad, and the PNS/M Hamza. (Pakistan may receive eight modified Chinese S20 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines that may be capable of fielding the SLCM.)

Like India, Pakistan will have to choose which model to manage its limited nuclear submarines. A ‘bastion’ model that keeps them in port until a crisis makes them extremely vulnerable to being sunk as they are flushed out of known locations. A ‘continuous deterrent patrol’ model runs the risk of unauthorized use and accidents in a crowded Indian Ocean, with possibly limited suitable deterrent patrol boxes, while also giving the Indian Navy ample opportunity to track the signature of the submarines to sink them in war.

Of course, the survivability problem is not one for not only China and India, and certainly Pakistan, but there is increasing evidence that the U.S. was pretty good at tracking even Soviet SSBNs during the Cold War. Whether India can track and kill Agostas remains an unknown, but is theoretically possible. So despite Pakistani perceptions of the Babur-3-equipped Agosta-class submarines contributing to its deterrent, the survivability question may prove destabilizing.

Second, will Pakistan deploy both conventional and nuclear Agostas, and how will adversaries know the difference? Pakistan having its Agosta-class submarines carry missiles tipped with both conventional and nuclear warheads is a recipe for a major catastrophe borne of misperception. In a crisis or war, the Indian Navy will try to sink anything it can find. If Indian ASW forces find a Pakistani Agosta-class submarine, they may have to operate under the assumption that the submarine in question is carrying nuclear SLCMs in addition to conventional warheads. Discrimination, thus, will be a major problem and portends serious accidents and unintended escalation.

Finally, does Pakistan have a sufficient and robust enough command and control infrastructure to safely and reliable manage a submarine based nuclear force? This is another area where the Pakistani Navy faces a problem common to many countries in possession of nuclear submarine forces. How exactly will Pakistan manage a submarine-based nuclear force, where the warhead will have to be pre-mated with the Babur-3 SLCM before the submarine leaves port? Does Pakistan have enough confidence in its very low frequency (VLF) and extremely low frequency (ELF) communication with these Agosta submarines that it can afford to put negative controls on the weapons such that they cannot be fired without central inputs? Probably not.

This leaves us with a dangerous and destabilizing state of affairs where the captain of a Pakistani Navy submarine will likely end up in possession of at least the physical ability to release nuclear weapons when on deterrent patrol. This could lead to serious unauthorized use or accidents. If the submarine captain cannot reach the civilian-led National Command Authority, will he assume it has been destroyed and release nuclear weapons of his own volition? If the answer to this is “yes,” then Pakistan’s sea-based deterrent will be based around a drastically different overarching principle from how it claims to manage its land-based forces, which are kept under central control until deep into a crisis.

Monday’s test of the Babur-3 should encourage analysts in New Delhi and Islamabad to seriously think through some of the above questions. For both India and Pakistan — but especially Pakistan — a question to mull over seriously is whether the command and control (C2) challenges of maintaining a submarine nuclear force are so great and simply generate more vulnerabilities than the deterrence benefits of a questionably survivable platform in a shooting war. Despite the Pakistani military exhortations that the Babur-3 reinforces its doctrine of “credible minimum deterrence,” pushing ahead with an undersea deterrent without full consideration of the associated costs may ultimately prove deleterious to South Asian strategic stability.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/paki...ched-nuclear-capable-cruise-missile-what-now/
 
There actually is little wrong with this article. The only thing I find fault with is this bit:

"The United States’ SSBN force might be, but regional power submarines – such as Pakistan’s Agostas – almost certainly are not. They are noisy and are theoretically more easily detectable than U.S. nuclear submarines. The Pakistani Agosta-class submarines are diesel-electric and so they are quieter than first-generation nuclear submarines, but these boats are far from completely invulnerable."

Modern SSKs (and Agosta 90B certainly still falls in that category) actually are quieter than SSNs when they are crawling about (SSNs nuclear reactors require constant cooling i.e. coolant pumping noise is made constantly). It is during fast, longer distance transit that the situation is reversed, as the SSK will have to use diesels.

AIP doesn 't make SSKs quieter per se (that also depends on what type of AIP is used, e.g. Sterling en gine versus fuel cells). It does make them less easy to detect because there is less need to come close to the surface to snort.

IN has very few nuclear subs: 1 leased SSN and 1 (limited capability) SSBN. While the latter will do its best to stay well clear of any PN vessel, the former won't and will likely be accompanying an IN carrier group going into battle. Whether that SSN will or will not have advantage over and AIP equipped SSK, will depend at least in part on where the encounter will take place (i.e. close to a coast or somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean).

The 'noisy' IN submarines consist of the big (more 'ocean going') Russian Kilo's, which are actually pretty quiet and possibly equipped with ASW-variant of Club missile family (giving engagement range advan tages vis a vis an other sub), and the much smaller (more 'coastal') Type 209/1500s. IN has more 'depth' in the sense that because it is n umerically superior it can sustain ship losses better without quickly ceasing to be an effective naval force.
AIP equipped submarines are very stealthy at low speed, i am sure you know that they are silent killers.. the Kilo class or black holes as referred to by Western navies are very good, but they still have to surface frequently, for the rest I agree, since that is common knowledge about nuclear subs vs conventional subs with AIP.. Indian Navy is big but if some of its key warships are hit, it will be hurt, and that is a deterrent in itself, it won't cease to exist, but it will be more disorganized and thus vulnerable to more attacks..
When Pakistan will get its 8 new AIP submarines, India will also have 6 AIP equipped Scopene.. what is your take on the secret information about them that has been released in Australia.. would they be vulnerable or not?
 
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AIP equipped submarines are very stealthy at low speed, i am sure you know that they are silent killers..
Yeah, that's what I said

the Kilo class or black holes as referred to by Western navies ae very good, but they still have to surface frequently,
Yeah, that's also what I said.

Indian Navy is big but if some of its key warships are hit, it will be hurt, and that is a deterrent in itself, it won't cease to exist, but it will be more disorganized and thus vulnerable to more attacks..
The situation for PN is very different. If it looses 1 or more of its large surface combattants early in a conflict, there is little left to fight with, except submarines. So, they are essential and also it is essential that they cannot perform only nuclear missions, even if that dual- or plural role makes them more likely to be targeted continuously by IN.

When Pakistan will get its 8 new AIP submarines, India will also have 6 AIP equipped Scopene.. what is your take on the secret information about them that has been released in Australia.. would they be vulnerable or not?
India will have more than just 6 Scorpenes. One can not ignore other boats. THe information makes you better ab le to understand the boats, but they still need to be found and killed in real life. And that still won't be easy. All this assuming that the information obtained remains relevant i.e. that the opponent does not do anything to minimize any disadvantages that may have resulted.
 
Doesn't proof anything .

About 2nd strike.
Untill atleast 3 SSBNs are ready , it won't be 100%.

Its not about the numbers, its not even functional as far as India is concerned. With Babur 3 test, the bar has been raised for India.
 
A better quality video of the launch and within first five second you can see part of the missile container fall in the water.



Wow from the video i can see Pakistan got the only capability to make missile move diagonally from the start without resurfacing the submarine....rather first heading straight and then revert to actual path....
 
Wow from the video i can see Pakistan got the only capability to make missile move diagonally from the start without resurfacing the submarine....rather first heading straight and then revert to actual path....
If certain people had a brain they would be indeed dangerous.
As far as i know, the launch tubes in the Agosta subs don't point skywards.
 

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