pakistan stopped buying military equpment from USA totally

[VCheng]

iran nuclear deal is best example sir . USA signed it and then windrow from it . they are plain liars cheaters

As if Iran was abiding by its commitments under the nuclear deal. Yeah. Remember the two way street?

 

[Avicenna]

As if Iran was abiding by its commitments under the nuclear deal. Yeah. Remember the two way street?

According to everyone else but the US it was complying at the time the US withdrew.

 

[VCheng]

According to everyone else but the US it was complying at the time the US withdrew.

Iran was not complying with its commitments that led to the deal breaking down, but let's not take this thread off-topic.

 

[Avicenna]

Iran was not complying with its commitments that led to the deal breaking down.

False.

If not prove it.

 

[VCheng]

False.

If not prove it.

This thread is about Pakistan's military purchases from USA and issues related to them.

 

[Avicenna]

This thread is about Pakistan's military purchases from USA and issues related to them.

Correct.

Also you can’t prove it.

Peace.

 

[VCheng]

Correct.

And the thread remains on topic. You can take your peace with you on your way out.

 

[Avicenna]

And the thread remains on topic. You can take your peace with you on your way out.

I’m sorry you can’t say the same about your intellectual integrity.

 

[VCheng]

As a defence expert once commented, ''American sanctions and embargoes were the best thing to happen to Pakistan, it forced Pakistan to become more self sufficient and also not to keep all eggs in one basket''.

Then why not thank USA for the sanctions and embargoes rather than complaining about them.

I’m sorry you can’t say the same about your intellectual integrity.

And I am not the topic of this thread either.

 

[Imran Khan]

As if Iran was abiding by its commitments under the nuclear deal. Yeah. Remember the two way street?

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Iran complies with nuclear deal limits, UN watchdog says
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-complies-with-nuclear-deal-limits-un-watchdog-says/a-48993243


IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-abiding-nuclear-deal


Iran still holding up its end of nuclear deal, IAEA report shows
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-nuclear-deal-iaea-report-shows-idUSKCN1QB1XC

Iran is complying with nuclear deal restrictions: IAEA report
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-deal-restrictions-iaea-report-idUSKCN1LF1KR

 

[VCheng]

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Iran complies with nuclear deal limits, UN watchdog says
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-complies-with-nuclear-deal-limits-un-watchdog-says/a-48993243


IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-abiding-nuclear-deal


Iran still holding up its end of nuclear deal, IAEA report shows
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-nuclear-deal-iaea-report-shows-idUSKCN1QB1XC

Iran is complying with nuclear deal restrictions: IAEA report
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-deal-restrictions-iaea-report-idUSKCN1LF1KR

Not to take the thread off topic, but please read your own links. Iran was not allowing the access needed to verify compliance as it had agreed to do.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

The only major clash between US-led forces and Afghan Taliban occurred in Afghanistan during the period (October 2001 - June 2002) when Afghan Taliban were controlling 90% of Afghanistan including Kabul.

FYI: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR381.html

And US-led forces utterly humiliated Afghan Taliban in this particular clash.

"U.S. forces were surprisingly successful in toppling the Taliban. The rigorous preparation of SOF clearly paid off. Air-land operations were decisive. Small-unit soldiers and leaders passed the tests of the harsh Afghan environment. Force protection, logistics operations, and communications each worked well."

After that clash, remnants of Afghan Taliban fled to Pakistan and Iran in order to regroup and bid their time. When US-led forces withdrew from Afghanistan in large numbers in 2014, Afghan Taliban re-surged soon after with a fresh bunch of fighters and took parts of Afghanistan by storm once again. Although US-backed Afghan government have held its ground since the resurgence of Afghan Taliban (2015 and onwards), it is not up to the task of expanding its footprint across entire Afghanistan due to internal corruption and unreliable ANA. This dynamic have frustrated US actually.

US was more interested in sorting out the matters of Middle East and Africa than Afghanistan. However, US did manage to eradicate Al-Qaeda Network across Afghanistan and Pakistan by 2011, and helped Pakistan in clearing its lands from TTP via numerous drone strikes (the first of its kind in history).

There is no such thing as "yet it took 17 years and still no victory in Afghanistan" - complete misreading of developments in Afghanistan. US-led forces utterly humiliated Afghan Taliban and pulled off 'regime change' in Afghanistan in a span of few months (October 2001 - June 2002). However, Afghan Taliban re-surged in 2015 after US-led forces withdrew from Afghanistan in large numbers in 2014.

What do you expect US to do now? Invade Afghanistan again?

American military is very strong and capable, and will deliver results in any theater, but it is up to American politicians to make the most out of these accomplishments in the aftermath, but sometimes they do not.

Totally disagree...

Taliban were banging US forces from 2007 which led to more forces but all got vain.

2007

2014

2019

 

[bafxet]

The less the dirt the cleaner the world. US is not worth trusting at all.

 

[AHMED85]

Wrong decision. Its open world, good relationship are required to move forward.

Imran Khan is stupid who try to detract Pakistani biliteral relationship with USA. And army establishment following it.


Its not a good point that Pakistan get goods from other countries. Country relationship are good vitamin for any country.

 

[AHMED85]

its been now 3 years and 4 months Pakistan have never ordered any military equipment from USA . i fact our last three orders were not delivered or canceled .
Feb. 12, 2016 f-16 block52 8 units canceled
Apr 6, 2015 AH1Z vipers halted
Oct 30, 2014 cutter for navy - canceled


our last major arms deal was with us Sep 19, 2014 MAARPs which was delivered . so technically we are not getting nor ordering US made weapons since sep-2014 . its almost 5 years without US made weapons deals . how you people see our forces future . remember we are still major non NATO ally on papers .

personally i think we did right in last 5 years and we should avoid US made weapons in future too . US weapons are drug for a country . USA spy - black mail- ban - and stop spares and services at the time of need . we are looking other countries like china - Russia - turkey - Sweden - Italy- even Holland Brazil these days and things working well .

Pakistan have ordered or received below arms in last 5 years. so far my point of view we can filful our needs without sucking USA .


air force
jf-17 with Chinese help
drones and UAVs local chines help
helicopters from italy
SAMs from china italy



navy
frigates type54 from china
patrol crafts from china
missile boats from china
naval fuel tanker from turkey
Split Hoppers Barges from china
corvettes from Holland
corvettes from turkey

army
ATGM from spain
APCs from italy
MRAP FROM SOUTH AFRICA
choppers from italy
choppers from turkey
choppers from russia

I think they cutting/ reduced commission for Pakistani Generals. [emoji23]

No money transferred to Swiss Accounts. [emoji848]