Pakistan seeks information on Indian Army’s exercise in Rajasthan

[Moonlight]

LOL really? Looks like Pakistan is sooo confident on war with India?


No wonder they does.

We surely don't want any war, but God forbidden if there will be one. Yes we are really confident.

We still have M.M.Alam.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir,how can i repeat any propaganda,when actually i never dared say I love you sweet heart to my lady,any how sir,how are you winters going on i hope your enjoying warm fire,books,kaju and old memories of young age though you still have spirits younger and fresh then us.
I have got this piece from PDF and Indian Express,in which General Chaudry says,he just said it for psy purpose.Over the time this has been taken as truth.
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1965 | Lahore Cantonment is 'our aim'.
And Gentlemen like you from 36 PMA Long Course discussed it there.
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Thank you for your bouquet of good wishes, including a warm fire, books, kaju and old memories of young age. There is no fire - the AC is still needed - my books are at Dera Bassi, while I'm at Hyderabad, there is a sufficiency of kaju, unfortunately in solid form, but alas, old memories of young age do not intrude while I have to do my daily chores of a full professor teaching two full courses each semester, along with a seminar.

The Indian Express reference does not open. Perhaps if you have access to it, it would help to examine its contents. There is not a single authentic report about this remark, and every single report is by a Pakistani source. That includes the 36 PMA Long Course account by Brig. Mohammad Ajmal, PA (retd.), who does not mention where he got to hear this - or read this. Apparently, along with the celestial horsemen who defended Lahore, this is a very popular account in Pakistani circles.

As it rests on nothing, no printed report of the time, except the Indian Express URL which could not be opened, I beg that you will not oppose it being called propaganda. It is avoidable, and should not be seen in the company of facts.

We surely don't want any war, but God forbidden if there will be one. Yes we are really confident.

We still have M.M.Alam.

You plan to put him into a cockpit?

 

[The-king]

If you repeat that piece of propaganda, you are heading for trouble. Show me the source.




Could not understand. Is it possible to explain in more detail?

The chain of events the gentleman telling us completely contradict with Gen Arora and Field Marshal Sam both Gentlemen describe the events exactly the same no contradiction between them but the above Gentleman trying to portray himself as he done everything he took the stand he trick Gen Niazi. Either they are correct or him is laying, we can safely assume that the Gentleman is telling a lie he want to glorify himself, it happens when old grand pa telling stories to grandchildren once he shot two lions with one bullet.


Regards,

This is what your media quoting official sources in Pakistan said:

Jailed militant`s hoax calls drove India, Pakistan to brink of war

— Published Nov 26, 2009 12:00am





ISLAMABAD Omar Saeed Sheikh, a detained Pakistani militant, had made hoax calls to President Asif Ali Zardari and the Chief of Army Staff, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, in a bid to heighten Pakistan-India tensions after last year's terrorist attacks on Mumbai, investigators have told Dawn.


'Omar Saeed Sheikh was the hoax caller. It was he who threatened the civilian and military leaderships of Pakistan over telephone. And he did so from inside Hyderabad jail,' investigators said.


The controversy came to light after Dawn broke the story, exactly one year ago, that a hoax caller claiming to be then Indian foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee was making threatening calls to President Zardari.


It was on the night of Nov 26 last year that Saadia Omar, Omar Sheikh's wife, informed him about the carnage in Mumbai. The sources said that the information was passed on to Omar in Hyderabad jail through his mobile phone, which he was secretly using without the knowledge of the administration.


All but one of the attackers who India alleged were Lashkar-i-Taiba terrorists were shot dead by security personnel.


Saadia kept updating Omar about the massacre through the night and small hours of the morning. On the night of Nov 28, when the authorities had regained control over the better part of the city, Omar Saeed, using a UK-registered mobile SIM, made a phone call to Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee.


He told an operator handling Mr Mukherjee's calls that he was the President of Pakistan.
Indian officials started verification as part of security precautions and, after some time, the operator informed Omar Saeed (who was posing to be Pakistan's president) that the foreign minister would get in touch with him soon. Omar now made a call to President Asif Ali Zardari and then the Chief of Army Staff.


He also made an attempt to talk to the US secretary of state, but security checks barred his way.


The presidency swung into action soon after Mr Zardari's conversation with the adventurous militant.


President Zardari first spoke to Prime Minister Gilani and informed him about the happenings. He also took Interior Minister Rehman Malik into the loop.


In Rawalpindi, Gen Kayani immediately spoke to the chief of the Inter Services Intelligence, Lt- Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha.


According to sources, not only President Asif Zardari was taken in by Omar's audacity but the COAS was also baffled by his cheekiness.


Gen Kayani, sharing his thoughts with close associates, said he had been bewildered by the caller's threatening tone.


But Maj Gen Athar Abbas, the military spokesman, finds the report unbelievable. 'I am not his (Army chief's) operator. I don't know who puts calls through to him, but I think this can't be true,' said an incredulous Athar Abbas.


Interestingly, when Omar Saeed Sheikh was making these hoax calls, the Lashkar-i-Taiba (LET) chief was also in Karachi, but it is not known whether Omar Saeed was acting under the guidance of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi or on his own.


INVESTIGATIONS On the other hand, investigators got into the act without wasting time, coming up with their findings within hours.


Their conclusion was that the phone call which came from the Indian external affairs ministry was actually their (Indians') check.


They said the calls to President Zardari and the army chief were made from a Britain-registered SIM.


Gen (retired) Pervez Musharraf, in his autobiography, had alleged that Omar Saeed was an agent of MI6, the British intelligence agency.


The very next morning, Nov 29, Hyderabad jail was raided by intelligence agencies and over a dozen SIMs were recovered along with two mobile sets. Majid Siddiqui, the jail superintendent, was suspended.


'I don't know much but it is true that some mobile SIMs and mobile sets were recovered from Omar Saeed Sheikh when he was in Hyderabad jail.


I got him transferred to Karachi jail because that is a far better place for such high-profile terrorists,' Allauddin Abbasi, DIG Prisons, Hyderabad, told Dawn over phone.


The authorities had a word with Saadia Omar too. She was advised to 'control' herself. The matter was then placed in the files of secret agencies marked as 'secret'.


The Federal Investigation Agency never interrogated Omar Saeed about the Mumbai attacks. Dawn's efforts for getting the viewpoint of Tariq Khosa , the FIA chief, drew a blank.


HIGH PROFILE Omar, currently confined in a high security cell of Karachi Jail, has a long record of militancy, from kidnapping foreigners in Mumbai in 1994 to kidnapping Daniel Pearl in Jan 2002.


Omar Saeed Sheikh was freed by India in Dec 1999 as part of a deal that saw New Delhi agreeing to release a number of militant leaders in exchange for the freedom of hostages on board an India plane hijacked to Kabul.


Soon after his release from Indian captivity, Omar Saeed developed close relations with the LET leadership, including Zakiur Rehman Lakhwi.


He was invited to a training camp in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Azad Kashmir, where he spent a couple of days delivering lectures to recruits.


Sources said Lakhwi wanted Omar to join LET and give the organisation an international face.


In Feb 2002, Omar was arrested for the murder of US journalist Daniel Pearl.

Don't quote media they are nonsense peoples. Some of them believe can't tell you difference between underwear and software but lecturing us on IT.

Regards,

 

[Joe Shearer]

The chain of events the gentleman telling us completely contradict with Gen Arora and Field Marshal Sam both Gentlemen describe the events exactly the same no contradiction between them but the above Gentleman trying to portray himself as he done everything he took the stand he trick Gen Niazi. Either they are correct or him is laying, we can safely assume that the Gentleman is telling a lie he want to glorify himself, it happens when old grand pa telling stories to grandchildren once he shot two lions with one bullet.

Who is 'the gentleman' you are referring to? Major General Jacob?

Regards,
Don't quote media they are nonsense peoples. Some of them believe can't tell you difference between underwear and software but lecturing us on IT.

Regards,

 

[The-king]

Who is 'the gentleman' you are referring to? Major General Jacob?

Yes

Yes

Sir i am not saying we didn’t surrender it is fact a truth though bitter but The events Mr. Jacob told quite contradictory if we go for even neutral sources.


Regards,

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes



Sir i am not saying we didn’t surrender it is fact a truth though bitter but The events Mr. Jacob told quite contradictory if we go for even neutral sources.


Regards,

I don't agree with this gentleman's account wholly myself. However, he was the only one on the spot. He is the only person who can say with authenticity what happened, what words were exchanged, and what the reactions were.

If there is some contradiction, cite sources and let us talk about it.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Thank you for your bouquet of good wishes, including a warm fire, books, kaju and old memories of young age. There is no fire - the AC is still needed - my books are at Dera Bassi, while I'm at Hyderabad, there is a sufficiency of kaju, unfortunately in solid form, but alas, old memories of young age do not intrude while I have to do my daily chores of a full professor teaching two full courses each semester, along with a seminar.

I was expecting you sir, to be fully retired by any how this proves you are still better then many youngsters like us.

The Indian Express reference does not open. Perhaps if you have access to it, it would help to examine its contents. There is not a single authentic report about this remark, and every single report is by a Pakistani source. That includes the 36 PMA Long Course account by Brig. Mohammad Ajmal, PA (retd.), who does not mention where he got to hear this - or read this. Apparently, along with the celestial horsemen who defended Lahore, this is a very popular account in Pakistani circles.

As it rests on nothing, no printed report of the time, except the Indian Express URL which could not be opened, I beg that you will not oppose it being called propaganda. It is avoidable, and should not be seen in the company of facts.

Any how sir,the picture from 21 sep 1965 reads,Our Target was Lahore Cantonment,we just declared a tea party at gymkhana club for psychological point of view"

 

[Joe Shearer]

I was expecting you sir, to be fully retired by any how this proves you are still better then many youngsters like us.

I continue because young people refresh and rejuvenate me. Without their company, their bright minds and sharp intellects, their constant challenges, I would be even more of a senile old fool than I already am.

Any how sir,the picture from 21 sep 1965 reads,Our Target was Lahore Cantonment,we just declared a tea party at gymkhana club for psychological point of view"

My point is this: nobody, anywhere, actually spotted a quotation from the general. This might be an exception. Did it mention that it was a live interview, or that it was Chaudhuri who said it (his son was one of my bosses, and a great one, at that, so I am slightly prejudiced)?

 

[Sine Nomine]

My point is this: nobody, anywhere, actually spotted a quotation from the general. This might be an exception. Did it mention that it was a live interview, or that it was Chaudhuri who said it (his son was one of my bosses, and a great one, at that, so I am slightly prejudiced)?

It was mentioned in Indian Express,may be if any one can have access to Circa Sep 1965 editions,he can tell us.
Sir,my knowledge is all because of intellectuals like you,there are other Pakistani member's who can tell us if this is right or wrong.
I humbly call @FaujHistorian & @fatman17 to tell us,this is true or piece of propaganda.
"We will have party at gymkhana club next evening"General Chaudhri 1965 indo-pak war.
Gentleman i would like your contribution on this topic,is it true or False.
Regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

It was mentioned in Indian Express,may be if any one can have access to Circa Sep 1965 editions,he can tell us.
Sir,my knowledge is all because of intellectuals like you,there are other Pakistani member's who can tell us if this is right or wrong.
I humbly call @FaujHistorian & @fatman17 to tell us,this is true or piece of propaganda.
"We will have party at gymkhana club next evening"General Chaudhri 1965 indo-pak war.
Gentleman i would like your contribution on this topic,is it true or False.
Regards

I would really like to know, as I have not found a clue so far. Perhaps it might be possible to see the Indian Express archives in Delhi; must keep some time on the next visit.

 

[The-king]

I don't agree with this gentleman's account wholly myself. However, he was the only one on the spot. He is the only person who can say with authenticity what happened, what words were exchanged, and what the reactions were.

If there is some contradiction, cite sources and let us talk about it.

Sure i will post Late Field Marshal Sam's interviews along with Gerenel Arora's. I will start a new thread based on interviews.
Regards,