Pakistan risks sanctions over Iran gas deal: WSJ

[A1Kaid]

You are on to something my dear poster. You are on to something.

Here is how the cookie crumbles in Pakistan.


1. Pakistanis settled in UK/US/Canada -- want Pakistanis back home to live like NK beggars
2. Leftie commie professors and news guys in Pak - want Pakistanis to live like NK beggars
3. Pak army officers - want Pakistanis to live like South Koreans
4. Pak manufacturers - want Pakistanis to live like South Koreans
5. Pak farmers who export their products - want Pakistanis to live like South Koreans
6. Pak businessmen who travel outside - want Pakistanis to live like South Koreans


Ordinary Pakistani on the street obviously is being bombarded by leftie commie media, so they want to be anti-US, but I seriously doubt they want to live hungry and destitute like NK.

FYI time and again they have kicked out the rulers and policy makers who tried to introduce leftie-commie schemes and f'd up their lives.

This is why people remember all the military rulers with fondness. Because military rulers brought in South Korea like policies. Ayub being the best known leader that way.

So you see, its a real toss up.

It really depends which group you fall in. and that determines if you yourself want to live like NK beggars or SK prosperous people.

Really.

So how do you feel about yourself? and your family and friends? you want them to be liek NK or SK citizens?

Please let us know


thank you

Start paying your taxes like South Koreans do and you won't have to live like "North Korean beggars do".

 

[KRAIT]

@Umair Nawaz Back in 1970s, Pakistan was ally of US and China and US didn't want to let East Bengal fall. Also, watch documentary on 1971 war. US Diplomat in East Pakistan and other officials said those words.

If you want I can give you the link.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@Umair Nawaz Back in 1970s, Pakistan was ally of US and China and US didn't want to let East Bengal fall. Also, watch documentary on 1971 war. US Diplomat in East Pakistan and other officials said those words.

If you want I can give you the link.

lol then u should read the book of ikram sehgal who was a pow in the war n ran away to american consulate who just gave him money to go to dehli...they didnt do anything.....

there is a difference b/w official stance n doing something practically!!!

 

[batmannow]

Flawed illogical Assumption, No Pakistani in UK/US/Canada want Pakistanis back home to live like NK. Had it been the case the precious remittance would not have been sent to Pakistan. Nor money would have been sent during Earth Quake and Floods. And certainly many Pakistanis send money for Qurbani to Pakistan to be distributed among poor Pakistanis. Please that would be an insult to entire Pakistanis living-settled abroad being weighted against corrupt bureaucrats-politicians and their families settled Abroad which are in small numbers.

First blame goes to rich Pakistanis [businessmen] living in Pakistan to pay Taxes. hardly 1 Million Pakistanis pay Taxes that includes businesses and people associated with it out of 19 Crore Pakistanis, would you be so kind to discuss them before Pakistanis settled abroad. Also post statistics that explains Pakiatanis abroad want Pakiatanis back home to live like NK, Thankyou.

On overseas pakistanis contributing to pakistan, I am with you with my blood!
But dear, its not only just the tax collection?
Its crouption? & its the core issue in todays pakistan?
World biggest economy China,hvnt been establised because every chinese was paying his taxes?
No its the brutal but diciplined rule, staybility, & peoples & leader,s honnesty towards the state?
What you think?
Thanks

 

[Luftwaffe]

On overseas pakistanis contributing to pakistan, I am with you with my blood!
But dear, its not only just the tax collection? Its crouption? & its the core issue in todays pakistan? World biggest economy China,hvnt been establised because every chinese was paying his taxes? No its the brutal but diciplined rule, staybility, & peoples & leader,s honnesty towards the state? What you think? Thanks

That is why blame should be upon every Pakistani in Pakistan before pointing finger at overseas Pakistanis who have exhausted supporting Pakistan and will continue to support Pakistan.

Collectively Pakistan needs to learn from China-Turkey the best examples to follow. I can write a book on the mentality and how things work in Pakistan and how we as a community and as a Nation failed Pakistan in short without discipline without Taxes Filing & payment, without imposing of Rule of Law, without fair trial/judiciary and on and on We won't build the Pakistan we want to see.

 

[FaujHistorian]

On overseas pakistanis contributing to pakistan, I am with you with my blood!
But dear, its not only just the tax collection?
Its crouption? & its the core issue in todays pakistan?


World biggest economy China,hvnt been establised because every chinese was paying his taxes?

No its the brutal but diciplined rule, staybility, & peoples & leader,s honnesty towards the state?
What you think?
Thanks

Thank you. thank you. Thank you my dear Sir, Thankyou.

Sometimes people just bring up argument without ever going to some basic comparison.

Like you said

Chinese didn't become super power because they were paying taxes
Indians didn't gain huge increase in GDP because they were paying taxes
S koreans in the 50s were not paying taxes and "suffered" through dictatorships. But still became super power


Granted that we the Pakistanis need to may more taxes. Who can argue with that?

But FYI, we do pay taxes. We pay them through our noses.

We pay HUGE taxes on petrol, natural gas, electricity, and every damn little thing we buy, we pay HUGE amount of taxes.

There are obviously some areas where we need to improve tax collection. For example we need to improve is the collection of income taxes. Even in this head, 95% of salaried class pays all the income tax and never gets any refund even when government overcharges.

majority of business people in the retail pay taxes. Do they pay full or half or less is a separate discussion.

But anyone sitting london and new york, telling us that we don't pay taxes, is off base. totally.


Back to China, India, South Korea, Taiwan etc.


In their developmental years they had very low tax collection.

Because tax collection agents hamper progress that is needed in the beginning years.

China, India have pretty much the same level of corruption as we do.


So there must be something else that makes China progress by leaps and bounds.

And I tell you

No American and British economist will ever tell you. I wonder why?


peace

 

[batmannow]

Thank you. thank you. Thank you my dear Sir, Thankyou.

Sometimes people just bring up argument without ever going to some basic comparison.

Like you said

Chinese didn't become super power because they were paying taxes
Indians didn't gain huge increase in GDP because they were paying taxes
S koreans in the 50s were not paying taxes and "suffered" through dictatorships. But still became super power


Granted that we the Pakistanis need to may more taxes. Who can argue with that?

But FYI, we do pay taxes. We pay them through our noses.

We pay HUGE taxes on petrol, natural gas, electricity, and every damn little thing we buy, we pay HUGE amount of taxes.

There are obviously some areas where we need to improve tax collection. For example we need to improve is the collection of income taxes. Even in this head, 95% of salaried class pays all the income tax and never gets any refund even when government overcharges.

majority of business people in the retail pay taxes. Do they pay full or half or less is a separate discussion.

But anyone sitting london and new york, telling us that we don't pay taxes, is off base. totally.


Back to China, India, South Korea, Taiwan etc.


In their developmental years they had very low tax collection.

Because tax collection agents hamper progress that is needed in the beginning years.

China, India have pretty much the same level of corruption as we do.


So there must be something else that makes China progress by leaps and bounds.

And I tell you

No American and British economist will ever tell you. I wonder why?


peace

dear,
who told you S.KOREA is superpower, of any kind?
where is the biggest tax collection in the world & why they are sufferening ? USA?

 

[FaujHistorian]

dear,
who told you S.KOREA is superpower, of any kind?
....

Off course I did not mean S K is as big of a super power as USA or perhaps China.

But we gotta admire them for their achievements that are typically linked to super powers.

Like technological prowess. I mean you want to buy something highly technical piece of machinary. Your srouces will be USA/EU/Japan and one more country. S Korea.

You want to buy somethng electronic that is designed and manufactured within a country, S Korea is way up there next to Japan, Germany, and USA

They have enough money to be independent and their business and commercial processes are at the level of economic super powers like USA, Japan, and Germany.

heck their pop-music has taken the world by storm (in their small niche) where USA/UK reign supreme.

Even China will take some years before it gets to the level of technical and business maturity as that of S Korea.


These are my unbiased views. I have seen things with my own eyes before forming these opinions.

dear,

where is the biggest tax collection in the world & why they are sufferening ? USA?

In my humble opinion, USA is suffering economically due to many many reasons. but I am sure they will come up with some solution in the next 5-10 years.

They are the true leader in innovation in pretty much everything. So logically they can innovate their way out of the current mess. And if they don't. Well who said super powers are supposed to remain superpowers until the day of Qiamat. Who said it?


peace

 

[Luftwaffe]

dear,who told you S.KOREA is superpower, of any kind? where is the biggest tax collection in the world & why they are sufferening ? USA?

Taxes are just one part it can't make the country rich over night but it helps alot there are many dynamics, With respect Fauji's assessments are not accurate.

I tell you Canadian and US pays alot of Taxes so do many Europeans yet there are economic trouble but to keep the economic curve from falling taxes are must. Jazya and zakat are form of taxes Muslim rulers imposed it and Muslims Nations were prosperous.

As for S. Korea regardless of what we tag them they are best at two things technology in everyday life helped their industry and make $billions, ship building and Port. Gawadar is the Key to Pakistan's success, so is Iran-Pak Gas Pipe Line, Oil lane, literally billions would be collected.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Sanctions for what


We have every good damn thing in Pakistan

Bread , crops , spices , mangoes

China makes all the TV , LCD , Computers

Only thing we need is oil and gas and Iran has plenty of that Problem solved

Time to give finger salute to USA

America is sad , because ......
We just gave nuclear technology contracts to India
We just sold C130 transport planes to India


The only reason why we have deficit is we sell cheap food to outside countries and we buy expensive oil ....


Huh ... sanction my arse