Pakistan proposes Muslim Blue Berets for Afghanistan

[Spring Onion]

And thats the bottom line, they cant digest a simple fact that they have already been defeated in Afghanistan. They though that their uncle will be sitting there for ever and they can do what ever they want to. But alas, life is always fair is it.

I have failed to understand why they dont want peace in Afghanistan ?

If peace can be brought by deploying peace keeping force from Muslim countries under UN for a brief period till a national govt is installed in Afghanistan what is the problem with INDIANS here ??



just check this bellow and tell me why Indians are against these countries being UN force in Afghanistan?

Among probable countries, he listed Malaysia, Indonesia and Bangladesh whose forces could be part of the proposed UN mission in Afghanistan as these states did not have any direct stake in the war-torn country.

And if bharatis want their army in Afghanistan then why dont they force their govt to announce it openly instead of acting like a sissi and crying over moves for peace just because they see a word Muslim countries

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

But you see the second post... It started "its to keep away hindus" and stuff derailed the topic.....

I challenge you to find the post where I said that. Don't misquote me

We are saying muslims because right now you cannot make peace without talking with taliban... They will NEVER EVER surrender with force only.... And they wont talk to you... They are not even talking with Afghan govt because its on Yankee payroll..... Thats why Neutral muslim countries...

Nope, that's why, Neutral Countries

2ndly They see current force as invaders and if you bring in christian or Hindu or anyother force they will not talk to them.....Would you like a Muslim telling a hindu that what hinduism say??? Even if i am right you'll not listen to me...And specially when u are in war from last decade....

Can't you guys keep religion out of ANYTHING???

Nobody is going there to preach them on Islam. It's a peacekeeping force for crying out loud. I repeat

A peacekeeping force is religion neutral

By bringing in religion, Pakistan is trying to influence the future of Afghanistan which should ideally be decided by Afghans themselves.

 

[SpArK]

I think in a country like Afghanistan where religion plays a major role, this proposal is indeed a good one.. Forces drawn from countries like Malaysia, Indonesia , Bangladesh would have more positive impact on the Afghan national than the current NATO forces.

Also like in the thread title, these nationals have no direct stake in the Afghanistan and their objectives will be keeping the peace according to UN guidelines, unlike Indians and Pakistanis, who has got different objectives and ambitions.

I am for any good move that brings peace to the region and to the poor Afghanistanis, who had enough of everything..

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Spring Onion]

I think in a country like Afghanistan where religion plays a major role, this proposal is indeed a good one.. Forces drawn from countries like Malaysia, Indonesia , Bangladesh would have more positive impact on the Afghan national than the current NATO forces.

Also like in the thread title, these nationals have no direct stake in the Afghanistan and their objectives will be keeping the peace according to UN guidelines, unlike Indians and Pakistanis, who has got different objectives and ambitions.

I am for any good move that brings peace to the region and to the poor Afghanistanis, who had enough of everything..

Just my 2 cents.

Benny for the last 8 pages thats what i am trying to tell the Indians and thats what your members dont want to understand.

if peace can be brought or violence can be cut off to a good extent through such peacekeeping force composed of countries like Malaysia, Indonesia , Bangladesh as suggested by our official then whats wrong with it?

We have kept our country out of it to maintain the neutrality.

 

[SpArK]

Benny for the last 8 pages thats what i am trying to tell the Indians and thats what your members dont want to understand.

if peace can be brought or violence can be cut off to a good extent through such peacekeeping force composed of countries like Malaysia, Indonesia , Bangladesh as suggested by our official then whats wrong with it?

We have kept our country out of it to maintain the neutrality.

Maybe they didn't read it fully and jumped too early.

 

[mjnaushad]

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I challenge you to find the post where I said that. Don't misquote me

I never took your name....neither i am a coumpter where i'll store everything in my mind..... Its 3rd post....but i called it 2nd because its the 2nd after the first article....or whatever.

Nopes it will stop Hindus from getting influence in Afghanistan. Thats it.

Nope, that's why, Neutral Countries

I gave you the reasons and you just want to run around in circles... Looks like you guys enjoy it...

Can't you guys keep religion out of ANYTHING???

Nobody is going there to preach them on Islam. It's a peacekeeping force for crying out loud. I repeat

A peacekeeping force is religion neutral

By bringing in religion, Pakistan is trying to influence the future of Afghanistan which should ideally be decided by Afghans themselves.

No we can't.... specially when this war was called "Crusade". Terrorist are called ISLAMIC terrorist... The war have big influence of religion and its wrong interpretation. Teaching them the peaceful msg of islam will help in bringing an end to this violence...


But as i said before this idea is not acceptable for you because its PAKISTANI idea.... if the same thing is brought up by someone else you guys would be jumping up and down with happiness and appreciating the country.

 

[bandit]

Why not give Afghanis what they want? After all its their country and they deserve the right to decide who they want them to help. This would obviously decrease the violence there.

Take a look at what the Afghanis think rather than what people on this forum think, and then decide who should be helping A'stan. Apparently its only in Pakistan's dreams and habit of blaming all ills on foreign hands that cause it to constantly whine about Indias involvement in a sovereign country. Afghanis themselves almost totally hate Pakistan even more than the Americans. Therefore Pakistanis should be the last in line to dictate what goes on in Afghanistan.

So here are some results from a survey conducted by ABC News between late December 2008 and early January 2009: “a random national sample” of 1534 adult Afghans across the 34 provinces were asked a number of questions in face-to-face interviews. India, it turns out, is big in Afghanistan. Almost three in four Afghans had a favourable impression of India, making it the most popular country in Afghanistan, bar none. When asked for their opinion of the role countries were playing in Afghanistan at this time, India still comes out on top. Although the United States has the highest proportion of positive ratings (44&#37 it also has a large proportion of negative rating (36%). India ranks slightly lower (41%) in terms of positive perceptions, but only 10% of the Afghans polled thought it was playing a negative role. This is explicable, because Indian troops are not engaged in counter-insurgency operations, unlike the Americans.

The favourable perception of India outweighs the positive opinion of the role it is playing in Afghanistan. Some of that might be due to distance, and as the surveyors suggest, due to sympathy for fellow sufferers of Pakistani machinations. But India’s role is helping maintain India’s popularity. Still there is an equal proportion of Afghans (42%) who are neutral about India’s role. This gap probably suggests to them that India could do better. As indeed, it could.

The Afghans, however, think highly of India

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1083a1Afghanistan2009.pdf

Again, if you really want peace in Afghanistan, let the Afghans decide, not foreign powers with selfish agendas.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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Nope, that's why, Neutral Countries

Hmmm, so their religion makes them biased>?

Can't you guys keep religion out of ANYTHING???

None of ur problem...... our religion is not just a religion its a deen a way of life.

Nobody is going there to preach them on Islam. It's a peacekeeping force for crying out loud. I repeat

A peacekeeping force is religion neutral

So wat is the definition of neutral to u? Do u want them to watch ****,drink and stuff in order to consider em neutral? they are or will be going to afghanistan a 99% muslim country for creating peace!

By bringing in religion, Pakistan is trying to influence the future of Afghanistan which should ideally be decided by Afghans themselves

So by proposing muslim peacekeepers from 56-57 muslim countries Pakistan is influencing the future of afghanistan? let the afghans decide.........sure.......But who the hell made u the spokeman of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan?


Heck u talk abt us.........wat abt the small states where india tries to act like the big brother and has been involved in killings to it the king of nepal or a common sri lankan?

 

[mjnaushad]

Why not give Afghanis what they want? After all its their country and they desreve the right to decide who they want them to help. This would obviously decrease the violence there.

Take a look at what the Afghanis think rather than what people on this forum think, and then decide who should be helping A'stan.


The Acorn Afghans, however, think highly of India

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1083a1Afghanistan2009.pdf

And where this poll was conducted...Does this include whole afghanistan...???? Or karzai and around his castle..... If the hate us so much why there are many still in favour of taliban??? Why taliban force is not running out....

Its more like opinion of Nothren Alliance now knows as ANA + Afghan govt....

 

[SpArK]

Why not give Afghanis what they want? After all its their country and they desreve the right to decide who they want them to help. This would obviously decrease the violence there.

Take a look at what the Afghanis think rather than what people on this forum think, and then decide who should be helping A'stan.


The Acorn Afghans, however, think highly of India

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1083a1Afghanistan2009.pdf

But sirjii, the thread is not about the involvement of India, Pakistan or Iran..In a country which has everything connected with traditions, religion and culture being part of it and is deep, involvement of nations other than NATO would be a welcome sign, especially if its by moderate Muslim nations like the ones Pakistan has suggested.

If a poll (like the one you have provided) is conducted whether a non- muslim or a muslim should be part of the peace keeping force most would go for the later one.( common sense). So its basically keeping the sentiments of Afghans themselves.

In Indian point of view, we would be more comfortable to deal with the suggested countries on any day than the NATO due to regionality commonness and strong bilateral relations.

 

[Spring Onion]

Why not give Afghanis what they want? After all its their country and they desreve the right to decide who they want them to help. This would obviously decrease the violence there.

What they want can be found only when invaders are out of Afghanistan and all sides of Afghanistani are asked to choose their leaders be it NA, Taliban or any other group. For that you need a peace keeping force that is acceptable to them and not considered as hostile infidel .

Take a look at what the Afghanis think rather than what people on this forum think, and then decide who should be helping A'stan.

A sample” of 1534 adult Afghans ???????? how do you think Afghanistan is represented by 1534 people ?


anyway if you take it as authentic then please do send your Indian army for deployment we will have no issue if you announce it officially

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Pakistan always proposes muslims this and muslims that, but it never materialise.

I also heard about Muslims trade, Muslims nato, Muslim XYZ from Pakistan, but yet no other Islamic nation, is rarely on the same wave length as Pakistan.

This is one of many.

 

[mjnaushad]

^^ Your point??

 

[Spring Onion]

Pakistan always proposes muslims this and muslims that, but it never materialise.

I also heard about Muslims trade, Muslims nato, Muslim XYZ from Pakistan, but yet no other Islamic nation, is rarely on the same wave length as Pakistan.

This is one of many.

That does not mean we should stop proposing constructive things

 

[bandit]

What they want can be found only when invaders are out of Afghanistan and all sides of Afghanistani are asked to choose their leaders be it NA, Taliban or any other group. For that you need a peace keeping force that is acceptable to them and not considered as hostile infidel .

So what do the Afghans want is decided by Pakistan military and officials? Looking at those results, Pakistan will get its *** whipped by Afghanis even worse than the US. Pakistan has a history of supporting an evil extremist regime over Afghans to seek their own benefits, so any suggestion by Pakistn purporting to be for the betterment of Afghanis is highly susceptible.
The idea to what the Afghans want is clear in that survey and not what you want to do in Afghanistan. Apparently 91% of Afghanis don't consider Indians infidels, after all how can someone who sends doctors to treat them and builds roads for them be evil.

A sample” of 1534 adult Afghans ???????? how do you think Afghanistan is represented by 1534 people ?

That is how statistics and the science of sampling works, did they teach you to do it differently in your school? If so, please enlighten me. I thought journos were skilled at sampling, apparently you are an exception. Perhaps you could bring me a more comprehensive survey to prove your point, but I highly doubt it.

anyway if you take it as authentic then please do send your Indian army for deployment we will have no issue if you announce it officially

That is what you fail to understand about Afghanistan. Pakistan wants to keep it under its thumb for its military and strategic objectives at the cost of Afghanis, India on the other hand is involved with humanitarian assistance and building relationships with common people though its efforts, the results of which are out there to see for all, despite cries and pleas by Pakistan of concocted terrorism and imaginary embassies.

And where this poll was conducted...Does this include whole afghanistan...???? Or karzai and around his castle..... If the hate us so much why there are many still in favour of taliban??? Why taliban force is not running out....

Its more like opinion of Nothren Alliance now knows as ANA + Afghan govt....

Did you go through the link? Apparently not, since it mentions 34 districts of A'stan.