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So much bullshit talk over a article which has no reliable source?

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A question for those who approve, should this story be true:

Who is the enemy ?? Are Pakistani soldiers really to be used to suppress citizens on the command of Princes??? Really?? You think such a think will be without repercussion inside Pakistan and elsewhere?

Is that the kind of morality you would want for Pakistan? Think it over.
Not that i support it but no such thing as morality in International Relations.
 
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To be fair to Pakistan, if Muslim (fundamentalists) kill Muslims of the Pakistani Army and Pakistani civilians, then what should the govt, police and the Army do?

Be moralistic and let it happen unabated?
 
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bharatis are only good at stalking and :blah:

Every country looks after its own interests including Pakistan. Besides, we are not talking about people's mothers here we are talking about foreign policies of countries. Pakistan has no problem with either Iran or Bahrain or Saudi Arabia, but I think if we had to chose Pakistan would probably chose the Arab Gulf countries particularly Saudi Arabia.

Few minutes earlier you were talking about Muslim unity and how Pakistan should be neutral in this conflict..then all of sudden, when prospect of Saudi dollars came into picture then all the talk Muslim brotherhood proved to be hot air.

Atleast have some integrity, if not national level then at least personal level.
 
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Pakistan already withdrawn 1Lac troops from Indian border now its bharati army turn to withdraw 1Lac troops.

Mate.......we dont have a civil war going on in our country
 
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Is there any morality to politics inside Pakistan??


I think I know what your answer will be -- and I regret it - You are much mistaken, there is morality in everything, we choose to deny this reality at our own expense.

The Change cannot be stopped - consider, even after bribes by the Princes, the degree of dissonance is such that society has become increasingly polarized - in the end, some Princes will submit, others will escape to their investments in the West --- Why should Pakistan risk it's future over something that can be solved by simply allowing people to be free - we want freedom for ourselves, how can we deny it to others and call ourselves muslims or whatever
 
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Since this news is a hoax, can this thread be closed please?
 
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Mate.......we dont have a civil war going on in our country

Please think about what you say before you say it. We moved our troops to a location where the terrorists are causing problems for us. If the same is not happening for you, why are you keeping troops there?
 
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Few minutes earlier you were talking about Muslim unity and how Pakistan should be neutral in this conflict..then all of sudden, when prospect of Saudi dollars came into picture then all the talk Muslim brotherhood proved to be hot air.

Atleast have some integrity, if not national level then at least personal level.

Yes Saudi dollars , Saudi Oil ....any problems ...??
they helped us during floods, earthquacks so why cant we send troops if they ask for them ...
 
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Yes Saudi dollars , Saudi Oil ....any problems ...??
they helped us during floods, earthquacks so why cant we send troops if they ask for them ...

Ohh I have no problem either way but alteast make up your mind.
 
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Bahrain or Bust?

Pakistan should think twice before meddling in the Middle East.
By Miranda Husain | From the April 11‚ 2011‚ issue

Less than three weeks after Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) forces, led by Saudi Arabia, entered Bahrain to aid the anti-democracy crackdown there, dignitaries from both oil-rich kingdoms did their separate rounds in Pakistan. The royal houses of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are nervous, and they need Pakistan’s mercenaries, and—if necessary—military muscle to shore them up.

This is a remarkable turn of events for Asif Ali Zardari, who had been trying since he was elected president in 2008 to secure Saudi oil on sweetheart terms. He had been unsuccessful in his efforts because the Sunni Saudis view his leadership with some degree of skepticism. It also doesn’t help that Zardari, a Shia, is big on improving relations with Shia Tehran. Riyadh now appears inclined to export oil on terms that better suit cash-strapped Islamabad. Manama, too, wants to play ball. It wants increased defense cooperation and has pledged to prioritize Pakistan’s hopes for a free-trade agreement with the GCC in return. But Zardari and his Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, should fight the urge to get mired in the Middle East.

Pakistan already has a presence in Bahrain: a battalion of the Azad Kashmir Regiment was deployed there over a year ago to train local troops, and retired officers from our Navy and Army are part of their security forces. Media estimates put the number of Pakistanis serving in Bahrain’s security establishment at about 10,000. Their removal has been a key demand of protesters in the kingdom. Last month in Islamabad, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani reportedly assured Bahrain’s foreign minister, Sheikh Khaled bin Ahmed al-Khalifa, that Pakistan would offer more retired manpower to help quell the uprising against Bahrain’s Sunni rulers by its Shia majority. Gilani’s spokesman was unable to confirm the pledge.

Islamabad’s support to the tottering regime in Manama is not ideal. “It’s like our version of Blackwater,” says Talat Masood, a former Pakistan Army general, referring to Bahrain’s recruitment drive in Pakistan. “We’re doing [in Bahrain] exactly what we have been opposing here,” he says. Pakistan, he maintains, has no business in trying to suppress a democratic, people’s movement in another country. Short-term economic gains cannot be the only prism through which Pakistan views its national interests, he says.

Pakistan has a long history of military involvement and training in the Arab world. Its pilots flew warplanes in the 1967 Arab-Israeli conflict, and volunteered for the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Involvement in Bahrain’s current strife would not be the first time that Pakistan has used its military might to thwart an Arab uprising against an Arab regime. In 1970, future military dictator Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, then head of the Pakistani military training mission in Jordan, led his soldiers to intervene on the side of Amman to quash a Palestinian challenge to its rule.

Some Bahraini opposition groups have called on the U.S. to intervene to get the GCC troops out of their country, fearing it could become a battleground in a Saudi-Iranian battle for regional supremacy. They stress that they share no real affinity with the theocratic regime in Shia-majority Iran, while noting that a number of Bahraini Sunni Muslims have also come out in the streets to call for greater reforms. Pakistani involvement, therefore, could result in it being embroiled in a proxy war, with serious implications for its own security interests.

The issue of Iran is important, but there’s a deeper issue, according to author Noam Chomsky. “By historical and geographical accident, the main concentration of global energy resources is in the northern Gulf region, which is predominantly Shia,” he told Newsweek Pakistan. Bahrain, he points out, neighbors eastern Saudi Arabia, where most of the latter’s oil is. “Western planners have long been concerned that a tacit Shia alliance might take shape with enormous control over the world’s energy resources, and perhaps not be reliably obedient to the U.S.”

Bahrain, which like Pakistan was designated a major non-NATO ally by the George W. Bush presidency, is home to the Fifth Fleet. It is the primary U.S. base in the region and allows Washington to ensure the free flow of oil through the Gulf, while keeping checks on Iran. Chomsky believes that Pakistani presence in Bahrain can be seen as part of a U.S.-backed alliance to safeguard Western access to the region’s oil.

“The U.S. has counted on Pakistan to help control the Arab world and safeguard Arab rulers from their own populations,” says Chomsky. “Pakistan was one of the ‘cops on the beat’ that the Nixon administration had in mind when outlining their doctrine for controlling the Arab world,” he says. Pakistan has such “severe internal problems” that it may not be able to play this role even if asked to. But the real reason that Pakistan should avoid this role is so that it can stand on the right side of history, alongside those who are fighting for democracy.

To comment on this article, email letters@newsweek.pk

its all about Bahrain, no real mention about KSA!
 
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Few minutes earlier you were talking about Muslim unity and how Pakistan should be neutral in this conflict..then all of sudden, when prospect of Saudi dollars came into picture then all the talk Muslim brotherhood proved to be hot air.

Atleast have some integrity, if not national level then at least personal level.

Saudi Arabia is also a Muslim country with 99% of its population being Muslims, so how am I not promoting Muslim brotherhood by promotng the Saudi Muslims. Besides, the status quo in Saudi Arabia works for most Muslims in the world not just for Pakistanis.

A bloodshed in Saudi Arabia would not be a good thing for Muslims in this world. Saudi Arabia has 2 of our holiest cites. Each day all Muslims of this world are supposed to pray facing Mecca.
 
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its all about Bahrain, no real mention about KSA!

See the "Foreign Policy of Dignity" on the strategic issues board -- Events, especially the invasion fo Bahrain, is supposedly a quid pro quo deal between the Saudi and US -- The Saudi with their 6 GCC got the 11 votes for Arab League votes on Libya and agreement that U S will not make the kinds on noises about "Responsibility to Protect" as they did for Libya

Anyway - some here seem to have sold their souls for oil and dollars, please be real, there are other options, other choices - don't sell your conscience over such things.
 
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Saudi Arabia is also a Muslim country with 99% of its population being Muslims, so how am I not promoting Muslim brotherhood by promotng the Saudi Muslims. Besides, the status quo in Saudi Arabia works for most Muslims in the world not just for Pakistanis.

A bloodshed in Saudi Arabia would not be a good thing for Muslims in this world. Saudi Arabia has 2 of our holiest sites. Each day all Muslims of this world are supposed to pray facing Mecca.

Please then could explain the meaning of your other post...Especially

Only enemies of Islam will benefit if Muslims fight with each other. I know that majority of Bahrain's population is Shia even though the rulers of Bahrain are Sunni, but Pakistan even though is Sunni Majority has the 2nd largest Shia population in the world and the founder of Pakistan himself was Shia Muslim as well as the current president of Pakistan who is Shia Muslim. So please Iran, dont think Pakistan is anti-shia because we aren't.

By the way, I think Pakistan should be neutral and not be involved in Bahrain's personal issues.

 
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Good.

It will bring in the much required money.

And Zardari?

I thought I read in these thread that it was a sin for Muslims to kill Muslims.

How will that aspect be reconciled?

Well, Zia had no qualms in killing Muslims in Jordan and he claimed he was a pious Muslim!

I presume it is should be OK then.

Pakistan does have a problem with Iran, like it or not and there is enough on that. For instance, the Pakistani attack in Eastern Iran!



Pakistani attack in Iran?


What proof do you have other than the brainwash garbage your media throws at you?


Every attack is not done by Pakistan......i would suggest you keep your suggestions to yourself, unless they have something to do with the actual topic...i.e. Pakistani troops may be posted in Arab countries.


Now get over it.
 
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Omar -- who is the enemy?? Aren't the people Muslims?? Isn't Bahrain and Iran also Muslim?? -- You started so strong, why surrender ---- Freedom is good for arabs and Muslims, right? after all it's good for us, or would support some arbi oppressing us??

We have better options
 
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