Pakistan offers India to take advantage of multibillion-dollar CPEC project

[Skull and Bones]

Are you taking the pi$$ like your Hindu BJP masters?

Chatgpt:-

CPEC, which stands for China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, is a significant development project between China and Pakistan. Here are some positive words that can be associated with CPEC:

1. Collaboration: CPEC promotes collaboration between China and Pakistan, fostering a stronger bilateral relationship.
2. Development: CPEC aims to bring about economic development and growth in Pakistan, enhancing infrastructure, industries, and trade.
3. Connectivity: CPEC enhances connectivity between China and Pakistan, opening up new avenues for trade and investment.
4. Investment: CPEC attracts significant investment from China, providing opportunities for infrastructure development, job creation, and economic progress.
5. Modernization: CPEC facilitates the modernization of Pakistan's infrastructure, including transportation, energy, and telecommunication networks.
6. Employment: CPEC generates employment opportunities through various infrastructure projects, contributing to reduced unemployment rates.
7. Economic Growth: CPEC contributes to Pakistan's economic growth by promoting trade, investment, and industrial development.
8. Regional Connectivity: CPEC plays a crucial role in connecting Pakistan with neighboring regions, fostering regional integration and cooperation.
9. Energy Security: CPEC addresses Pakistan's energy needs by developing energy projects, ensuring a more secure and reliable energy supply.
10. Socioeconomic Benefits: CPEC brings about socioeconomic benefits by improving living standards, reducing poverty, and enhancing the overall quality of life for people in Pakistan.

It's important to note that these words reflect some of the potential positive aspects associated with CPEC, and the actual impact and benefits may vary in practice.


Stuff India, Pakistan should collaborate with Iran, full copperation in every field from agriculture, science and technology, education and trade.

Another dimwit who would copy his assignments from chat-GPT.

 

[khansaheeb]

Another dimwit who would copy his assignments from chat-GPT.

Here is more for you for taking the pi$$:-

chatgpt:-
The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is a relatively recent project, and its full impact may take time to be fully realized. However, here are some facts and figures that highlight the real impact CPEC has had on Pakistan so far:

1. Infrastructure Development: CPEC has led to the development of infrastructure projects across Pakistan, including highways, railways, ports, and energy projects. As of September 2021, around 2,850 kilometers of roads and 1,163 kilometers of railways have been completed or are under construction.
2. Energy Projects: CPEC has prioritized the development of energy projects in Pakistan to address its power deficit. As of September 2021, around 25 power projects have been completed or are under construction, adding approximately 8,450 MW of electricity to the national grid. This has helped to alleviate power shortages and improve the overall energy situation in the country.
3. Job Creation: CPEC has contributed to job creation in Pakistan. According to Pakistan's Ministry of Planning, Development, and Special Initiatives, CPEC projects have created more than 75,000 direct jobs from 2015 to 2021. These employment opportunities span various sectors, including construction, energy, and transportation.
4. Industrial Development: CPEC aims to enhance industrial cooperation between China and Pakistan. Several Special Economic Zones (SEZs) are being established under CPEC, with the goal of attracting foreign investment and promoting industrial growth. As of September 2021, nine SEZs have been designated, and some companies have already started operations in these zones.
5. Trade Expansion: CPEC has the potential to boost Pakistan's trade and exports. According to the State Bank of Pakistan, in the fiscal year 2020-2021, bilateral trade between China and Pakistan reached approximately $17.8 billion, with Pakistan's exports to China growing by 36% compared to the previous year. CPEC's improved infrastructure and trade facilitation measures aim to further enhance trade volumes between the two countries.
6. Gwadar Port Development: Gwadar Port, located in southwestern Pakistan, is a key component of CPEC. It serves as a gateway for trade, offering strategic access to the Arabian Sea. Significant progress has been made in developing the port and related infrastructure. Gwadar Port has become operational, attracting investment and facilitating international trade.
7. Economic Growth: CPEC has contributed to Pakistan's economic growth. According to the State Bank of Pakistan, CPEC-related investments have provided a boost to the country's GDP growth rate. In recent years, Pakistan has witnessed an average annual GDP growth of around 5-6%, partially attributed to CPEC projects.

It's important to note that the full impact of CPEC may take time to materialize, and these figures represent the progress and achievements up until September 2021. The long-term benefits and outcomes of CPEC are subject to various factors and ongoing developments.

Another dimwit who would copy his assignments from chat-GPT.

 

[Hero786]

Do not take PDM serious.

PDM is full of clowns.
Do not be exited.

In PTI all was ok, in PDM inflation came, all reserve suddenly disappeared, may be to get rid of election.

 

[Kaniska]

For Pakistan to succeed economically, it has to tackle another time bomb which is slowly waiting to be exploded. That is Afghanistan. People do not realize, a fundamentalist nation with regressive thinking such as women should not go to school with boys, is a challenge for modern thinkers of Pakistan. Forget about India, which is a known rival, Afghanistan will be an unknown rival cum challenge for Pakistan for the next decade.

 

[Meengla]

How's that a low my vegan pandit friend? How's offering to take advantage of a buisness project is supposed to be a low?
I don't get your mentality here tbh
And even you probably know they didn't mean it, it's more like saying stuff for the hell it to get some PR, that's all, it's not like a genuine offer, that's not how offers work
It's clearly PR

Agreed.
BTW, this has always been China and Pakistan's position that India should join the over-all BRI initiatives.

 

[Cheepek]

Thanks but no thanks, we can build our roads and other allied infra ourselves. Please eat all the fruits of your ~$25B foreign loans alone, no need to share.

 

[FuturePAF]

We already have access to Russia and beyond using out Rail/Sea terminal in Iran.

A lot of the population India needs to provide for lives in you north/central states like UP.

File:India population density map en.svg - Wikimedia Commons

commons.m.wikimedia.org

The amount invested into the dedicated rail corridors, by India, also indicates a desire to develop those areas. A rail link direct to Russia and Europe cuts out the need to go to a port, allowing goods to be transported faster. Goods that are time sensitive such as perishable food stuffs (non-GMO) need to reach markets within a number of days.

 

[TheSolution]

I have a feeling there is going to be some co-operation soon at least economically

 

[FuturePAF]

With an honest & impartial mindset, I agree with the assessment. As the age-old saying goes- "Sour grapes" should be left alone. Sour grapes is something that's unattainable.

OTOH, Deng Xioping never said to hide your forex and beg for funds; or to be extremely willing to bend backwards to get them.

Pakistan won't be able to provide any opportunities to India. There is already a very robust infrastructure in place to cater north-western states of India via seaports in Gujarat and Maharashtra. No amount of infrastructure investment in CPEC can make it economically viable (let alone strategically) to use it for the same.

Ironically, rapid rise of China has proved to be the major cause of downfall for Pakistan. It made US to shift focus from Pakistan to India. US will never allow CPEC to be a viable project. It is very easy for them to destabilize Pakistan to achieve this. Unfortunately, as it is happening right now, people of Pakistan will be the one to bear the brunt of the situation.

Kashmir is not unattainable, but dependent on so much going right for one side and so much going poorly for the other, for a long enough period of time.

China’s entry into the conflict has afford Pakistan some breathing space, for now. But this now just raises the stakes for Pakistan to economically reform. If India is not seen as a positive participant during these reforms, India’s development will be the impetus for pushing decision makers in Pakistan to try to catch up, once reforms have begun.

Akin to Japan after WW2, the businessmen of Japan of the 1950-1980s worked on a war footing, to catch-up with the U.S. (The Japanese business books of the era talked about “frontal attack” and “Backside attack” when explaining strategies of competing). Watch the 1986 American movie Gung-Ho get a sense of the difference in mindset by that time (it’s a lighthearted comedy but the message comes through).

China too has been building its society in a similar manner from 1978 onwards. The tech cut offs to China are driving them to build up their local industries, while Japan has stagnated, for amongst many reasons, that their relationship with the US was not zero-sum.

India should welcome this opportunity to become part of BRI, because if both Pakistan and China don’t see India as part of the solution, they will see India as part of the problem. (Considering India’s moves in the SCS and vis a vi Taiwan in recent days, it seems like it has chosen the adversarial path, making it in China’s interests to build up Pakistan)

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Kashmir is not unattainable, but dependent on so much going right for one side and so much going poorly for the other, for a long enough period of time.

China’s entry into the conflict has afford Pakistan some breathing space, for now. But this now just raises the stakes for Pakistan to economically reform. If India is not seen as a positive participant during these reforms, India’s development will be the impetus for pushing decision makers in Pakistan to try to catch up, once reforms have begun.

Akin to Japan after WW2, the businessmen of Japan of the 1950-1980s worked on a war footing, to catch-up with the U.S. (The Japanese business books of the era talked about “frontal attack” and “Backside attack” when explaining strategies of competing). Watch the 1986 American movie Gung-Ho get a sense of the difference in mindset by that time.

China too has been building its society in a similar manner from 1978 onwards. The tech cut offs to China are driving them to build up their local industries, while Japan has stagnated, for amongst many reasons, that their relationship with the US was not zero-sum.

India should welcome this opportunity to become part of BRI, because if both Pakistan and China don’t see India as part of the solution, they will see India as part of the problem. (Considering India’s moves in the SCS and vis a vi Taiwan in recent days, it seems like it has chosen the adversarial path, making it in China’s interests to build up Pakistan)

India simply doesn't have to. CPEC isn't some big project either, just $62 billion to be invested over decades (probably 2049 i.e. 100 years of Chinese independence) is a joke. If the only selling point is to give land access to India then what are we supposed to do by joining BRI?


Why would we take loans from china to give projects to chinese firms to create jobs for chinese in India bringing in chinese equipment and will then send back remittances back home with our forex?


During the same time period India is investing around $11 trillion for complete infrastructure revamp of India building new expressways, expanding dedicated freight corridors, create many huge logistics and warehousing hubs, metro rail in all Indian cities, building RRTS lines, IT Parks, new central business districts, big international airports, new smartcities, big seaports and transhipment ports around India, introduce bullet train to a lot more routes and so on.

All this by raising debt from Indian banks, giving projects mostly to Indian firms, using mostly Indian equipment, providing jobs to Indians and with no strings attached.

CPEC is nothing in front of it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1676839854536105985

We consider china to be our biggest enemy, and our biggest geostrategic threat. We ain't doing shit with them.

 

[my2cents]

How's that a low my vegan pandit friend? How's offering to take advantage of a buisness project is supposed to be a low?

I don't get your mentality here tbh

And even you probably know they didn't mean it, it's more like saying stuff for the hell it to get some PR, that's all, it's not like a genuine offer, that's not how offers work
It's clearly PR

He never mentioned India per say. He said CPEC will help the region, but without elaborating who in the region. IRAN has their own Chabahar port. Maybe he meant Afghanistan which to my knowledge is not a major exporter, but sure can export drugs via CPEC.

 

[nahtanbob]

A lot of the population India needs to provide for lives in you north/central states like UP.

File:India population density map en.svg - Wikimedia Commons

commons.m.wikimedia.org

The amount invested into the dedicated rail corridors, by India, also indicates a desire to develop those areas. A rail link direct to Russia and Europe cuts out the need to go to a port, allowing goods to be transported faster. Goods that are time sensitive such as perishable food stuffs (non-GMO) need to reach markets within a number of days.

the world switched to maritime trade and everything took off after we got rid off middlemen collecting rent. you are suggesting the exact opposite.

the simple question is what stops Pakistan from doing the things you prescribe

 

[my2cents]

Why would Pakistan invite India, what happened to Article 370 outrage?

They were never in favor of article 370. Only when it was abrogated then they were in a quandary. It will soon be forgotten or they will reciprocate in kind like making P0K their province.

 

[indushek]

Forget CPEC, any project or collaboration with China from any developing country will bring a huge deficit. The classic example is India itself. Literally, everything in this world is manufactured in China. So if anyone would like to collaborate with them, what are we or Pakistan going to export which will benefit the host country?
For a moment, let us accept that India, Pakistan, and all the South Asian block is part of the CPEC. So what are we going to bring value add to our country apart from building roads and bridges in the loan which needs to be repaid to China? And what exactly we will export when the trade deficit between us in more than 100B in favor of China?

For a moment, please keep our regular India-Pakistan silly topic out of this thread.



Except for BD, there is literally no market for us. BD is a country that is on the rise and getting favorable traction from both the West as well as China. So i can see them growing well economically in the coming decades.

Pakistan will be gets hooked up with internal instability due to its own policy as well as Afganistan which is another war-torn country.

Before talking of joining or not joining CPEC or BRI, we need to understand what it is and also why it is.

China initiated this project, with multiples ideas on its mind.

One of the main ideas, is to have a supply chain route for its oil supply in time of war with West. I don't remember the percentage but, most of its oil supply passes through Malacca straits. While USA with Diego Garcia is close, and could block the straits on its own given its Naval power, India joining will give this plan a decisive advantage. Having your power supply through routes, where your adversaries can choke it is never a good thing.

Then next comes China's strategic depth plan, which they mention under different names. Its actually economic colonization in different way, compared to what the West did. By giving loans to so many countries, which is spent on useless projects and at exorbitant interests, China is crippling all these countries from within. Thus none of these countries, can ever challenge Chinese diplomatically and become vassals over time, giving them full say in international matters and internal matters of these countries even.

Then comes economy of China, and people don't seem to get why China spends money like this, when it knows most or even none of this will be repaid. In addition to above reasons which can't be calculated in monetary terms, there is also the reason of economy for China itself. Chinese internal consumption is less than 50%, which means the internal trade is very less. Chinese economy is built on the model of, exporting as much as possible and importing as less as possible. In such case what do you do, with all the money you are accumulating? You make a BRI of course.

Given all the above, if India ever becomes part of this, is the day we lose completely on all fronts to China, as we will be supporting them grow at our own detriment.

Compared to China, India's internal consumption or trade is nearly 60%. This is one of the reasons, we are able to withstand any global shocks. We are not that integrated into global trade and supply chains, which has its own disadvantage but also keeps us safe.

We don't need to become China, what we need is to strike a balance between export trade and internal consumption.

Having said all the above, we still can take some advantage of CPEC infra.. if we can strike some bilateral deal to use this CPEC infra. This is to connect with Iran and Russia ultimately, along with Europe. However for this to make economic sense, we have to develop trade relations first with Central Asian countries and Russia along with Iran. Our focus so far has been towards West, given the economic benefits. Till that point, it makes no sense for India to do anything on this front.

 

[TheSolution]

For Pakistan to succeed economically, it has to tackle another time bomb which is slowly waiting to be exploded. That is Afghanistan. People do not realize, a fundamentalist nation with regressive thinking such as women should not go to school with boys, is a challenge for modern thinkers of Pakistan. Forget about India, which is a known rival, Afghanistan will be an unknown rival cum challenge for Pakistan for the next decade.

Bro what they do in their home is not a problem for us.

The problem is gonna be when each one of their 15 children carry out suicide attacks in Pakistan...