Pakistan not to accept extention in US. strikes

[SMC]

This is zardari. What do you think. He is trying to fill his pocket before he has to run away. He does not represent Pakistan nor GoP.

 

[Dawkins]

Indian mind

U mean Srinivasa Ramanujan ? I'm flattered jk

But seriously, u think GoP will say NO to the US administration and invite its wrath?

 

[T-50]

This is zardari. What do you think. He is trying to fill his pocket before he has to run away. He does not represent Pakistan nor GoP.

Who represent PAK? ISI or ARMY? Well do you think Zardari makes decisions regarding country? lol its ISI and ARMY he is only puppet, about WAR army takes decision ISI follows.....


IF US feels PAK Army is not doing , they they will strike them where , its ever they are , its PAK govt Responsibility to gover its Land, if it cant then hand it over to those which can like UN.

 

[rohitx007]

Indian mind

pakistani mind

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

U mean Srinivasa Ramanujan ? I'm flattered jk

But seriously, u think GoP will say NO to the US administration and invite its wrath?

For current Gop: More money , more more and more , if US want more , nothing free

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

pakistani mind

more minds are better thanks

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Somehow you boObs think that we're going to tolerate our enemies making war on Afghans and ourselves from your lands. Are you fools?

your enemies were once your 'friend' when it was most convenient for you

and you come on a Pakistan Defence Forum, you better address us with more respect. Who you think you are, coming on here and showing this attitude?

PREDATOR flies because you've chosen to toss away your rights of sovereignty when you permitted these men on your lands and have allowed them to stay there and wage war for eight years.

We tossed away our sovereignty when 5 million Afghan refugees came en-masse and settled in Pakistan.

Many of these people did your dirty work, and helped USA regain her lost pride after the defeat in Vietnam.

Red Army ran away, and so did the US. Afghans received NOTHING in exchange, no rehabilitation for war-hardened people.

Pakistan received sanctions.

You have no rights on this issue. You've two choices that might be implemented together or separately- 1.) shoot them down and/or, 2.) cut off our supply lines.

I'm not active in the military; but I can assure you that councils & apparatus carefully analyze and review all options.

My advice to NATO would be to use the (more expensive) Tajikistan-Uzbekistan route, if you are uneasy about Khyber Pass. The average Pakistani couldn't care less of a damn.

They're just drones, though. Shoot away. Of course, doing so will make clear your duplicity.

our first priority is to target anti-Pakistan elements. This is our country, and we will prioritize based on threat assesment

Sanctuary aborgates your rights of sovereignty. Why? Because you've long since failed the responsibilities of sovereignty.

Who are you? Your home is 9500 miles away. Don't get me wrong, I like Americans.

But, Americans talking about sovereignty is a joke! Almost an insult!

Kid, you're not fooling anybody over here.

An ousted foreign government has safe haven on your lands from which to make war on your neighbor. Your own tribal citizens like Bahadur and Nazir do the same.

Ousted by whom?

Who waged war on whom? Saudi/Egyptian/Lebanese/Emiratey nationals were apparently the ones who crashed civilian airliners into your twin towers and pentagon.

As far back as 1998, Pakistan & Saudi leadership did all it could to convince Mullah Omar NOT to allow Afghanistan to become a haven for foreign "AQ" terrorists

We will use PREDATOR.

Pray we don't choose ARCLIGHT instead.

We formally asked U.S. to supply Predators, no response has been received.


As for Arclight missions, you already tried those in Vietnam. Things turned out well in the end, didn't they?

The men you harbor KILL our men. That's unacceptable and we'll do what's necessary to protect ourselves.

Protect yourselves by all means.....Vacate from lands that do not belong to you. This isn't a war for you, kiddo. Learn history, learn about the people you are trying to fight militarily.

An economically and politically stable Afghanistan is in our interests. Even your arch-rival Iran has been more productive, as they are investing a lot in counter-narcotics operation in the west. 8 years in Afghanistan, what has U.S. accomplished. Pray, tell me!

Had you not abandoned the people that helped you, a lot of this mess wouldn't have happened.

 

[S-2]

Most here don't appreciate that with sovereign rights come sovereign responsibilities. That includes control of your lands to assure neighbors that acts of war won't eminate from your soil.

When failing to do so, it indicates one of two conditions- 1.) an absence of a writ of state, meaning lawless lands under no functional control or, 2.) the complicity of the state in these acts of war.

Neither is acceptable to the maintenence of good internat'l relations.

We now have, after eight years, the Pakstani govenment admitting what we've all known for that entire time-former ousted taliban government authorities and their associates have been making war on the GoA, U.N., and ISAF/America from Pakistani soil.

Most here now admit as much although most would care to suggest that this is some recent phenomena when it's clearly not. Sanctuary was a discussion literally from 9/11 onward. Without Pakistani sanctuary, this externally-directed afghan insurgency holds no traction whatsoever.

So here it is, as it's long been meant to be-sanctuary, the central issue of this war, IMHO. After all, without sanctuary, there's little purpose to proxy armies. Proxy armies need sanctuary to thrive. If they could generate the combat power of their adversary, they wouldn't fight in the manner that sanctuary affords.

PREDATOR represents the least-invasive minimally-postured means America has available to protect the afghan populace, our allies, and our forces from these attacks. We could do MUCH MORE but forlornly hoping that the Pakistani government sees the error of its ways, we forebear the full measure of our retaliatory capabilities.

That might need to change.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Most here don't appreciate that with sovereign rights come sovereign responsibilities. That includes control of your lands to assure neighbors that acts of war won't eminate from your soil.

When failing to do so, it indicates one of two conditions- 1.) an absence of a writ of state, meaning lawless lands under no functional control or, 2.) the complicity of the state in these acts of war.

Neither is acceptable to the maintenence of good internat'l relations.

We now have, after eight years, the Pakstani govenment admitting what we've all known for that entire time-former ousted taliban government authorities and their associates have been making war on the GoA, U.N., and ISAF/America from Pakistani soil.

Most here now admit as much although most would care to suggest that this is some recent phenomena when it's clearly not. Sanctuary was a discussion literally from 9/11 onward. Without Pakistani sanctuary, this externally-directed afghan insurgency holds no traction whatsoever.

So here it is, as it's long been meant to be-sanctuary, the central issue of this war, IMHO. After all, without sanctuary, there's little purpose to proxy armies. Proxy armies need sanctuary to thrive. If they could generate the combat power of their adversary, they wouldn't fight in the manner that sanctuary affords.

PREDATOR represents the least-invasive minimally-postured means America has available to protect the afghan populace, our allies, and our forces from these attacks. We could do MUCH MORE but forlornly hoping that the Pakistani government sees the error of its ways, we forebear the full measure of our retaliatory capabilities.

That might need to change.

Even the British didn't had control on tribal areas when they were in power for centuries in this part of the world.
USA should make fence on the boarder easy as that.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Like i said, you are trying to police lands that are totally foreign to you.

You dont know the culture or history of this region. Americans think they can apply some kind of "Iraq formula" to Afghanistan (for whatever that is worth).

Not gonna happen.

Taleban werent your enemy until you invaded the already destroyed country. All you had to do was use diplomatic pressure on them, and isolate them from the AQ-allied extremists existing in the area.

You obviously had no problems inviting these same people to Houston to discuss pipeline projects.


You need our cooperation. And if Americans use the same attitude that you have, then you can see what "results" you will have then.


You want our cooperation? You will take things on our terms, and based on our conditions. We are the ones suffering economically and in numbers of lives lost -- thanks partly to your short sightedness and betrayal.



by the way, not all anti-American elements in FATA are taleban or pro-taleban. Some are just sympathetic to the very same "Afghan brothers" who were being bombarded by soviet gunships





CONCLUSION:


you can never conquer Afghanistan militarily, especially when majority of the people dont want you there...


READ HISTORY!

 

[Aslan]

Most here don't appreciate that with sovereign rights come sovereign responsibilities. That includes control of your lands to assure neighbors that acts of war won't eminate from your soil.

When failing to do so, it indicates one of two conditions- 1.) an absence of a writ of state, meaning lawless lands under no functional control or, 2.) the complicity of the state in these acts of war.

Neither is acceptable to the maintenence of good internat'l relations.

We now have, after eight years, the Pakstani govenment admitting what we've all known for that entire time-former ousted taliban government authorities and their associates have been making war on the GoA, U.N., and ISAF/America from Pakistani soil.

Most here now admit as much although most would care to suggest that this is some recent phenomena when it's clearly not. Sanctuary was a discussion literally from 9/11 onward. Without Pakistani sanctuary, this externally-directed afghan insurgency holds no traction whatsoever.

So here it is, as it's long been meant to be-sanctuary, the central issue of this war, IMHO. After all, without sanctuary, there's little purpose to proxy armies. Proxy armies need sanctuary to thrive. If they could generate the combat power of their adversary, they wouldn't fight in the manner that sanctuary affords.

PREDATOR represents the least-invasive minimally-postured means America has available to protect the afghan populace, our allies, and our forces from these attacks. We could do MUCH MORE but forlornly hoping that the Pakistani government sees the error of its ways, we forebear the full measure of our retaliatory capabilities.

That might need to change.

Dude you remind me of a dog who sits at the corner of the street who has nothing to do all day but as soon as some one passes by he will start barking for no reason. Respect is a 2 way street and I am sure that it is not too hard for your thick skull to make do with.

 

[S-2]

"we shall do the same..."

If so, sir, then you should have done as much to protect yourselves from the afghan taliban and their A.Q. associates following their ouster from Afghanistan.

Many here, of course, suggest that it was America's responsibility to magically seal the afghan borders and capture these men-all with 100+ C.I.A. and Special Forces operatives and some rag-tag N.A. militias.

Of course, Pakistan does have the world's seventh largest army but did it move its forces between 9/11 and the collapse of the taliban (two months) to be prepared for the liklihood that its borders would be awash in ejected taliban?

No.

That's not the only example. Most weren't sure that you'd protect yourselves at all as of last April. Not only had Pakistan aborgated responsibility for FATA and much of Balochistan, but it appeared you were prepared to surrender not only SWAT but, amazingly, Buner to boot.

Only after the screams and howls from the rest of mankind, notably Washington D.C., did your army finally move to defend yourselves from yourselves.

Go ahead. Protect yourselves from PREDATOR and prove that you're an enemy of Afghanistan, the U.N., ISAF and America.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

"we shall do the same..."

If so, sir, then you should have done as much to protect yourselves from the afghan taliban and their A.Q. associates following their ouster from Afghanistan.

Many here, of course, suggest that it was America's responsibility to magically seal the afghan borders and capture these men-all with 100+ C.I.A. and Special Forces operatives and some rag-tag N.A. militias.

Of course, Pakistan does have the world's seventh largest army but did it move its forces between 9/11 and the collapse of the taliban (two months) to be prepared for the liklihood that its borders would be awash in ejected taliban?

No.

That's not the only example. Most weren't sure that you'd protect yourselves at all as of last April. Not only had Pakistan aborgated responsibility for FATA and much of Balochistan, but it appeared you were prepared to surrender not only SWAT but, amazingly, Buner to boot.

Only after the screams and howls from the rest of mankind, notably Washington D.C., did your army finally move to defend yourselves from yourselves.

Go ahead. Protect yourselves from PREDATOR and prove that you're an enemy of Afghanistan, the U.N., ISAF and America.

They were and are at the eastern boarder were 3000 tanks are waiting to move in to Pakistan

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You are correct. Pakistan has a double standard of defining terrorists.
If they act against India they are called as freedom fighter(good terrorist).
Anyway it will be good for Pakistan if the US strikes continue for next few years. Otherwise the bad terrorists will capture Swat and other areas once again.

we're being active. Worry about your naxals active in more than half of india, worry bout those saffron hindu mobs massacring Christians in Orissa and bar patrons in mangalore!

 

[Aslan]

They were and are at the eastern boarder were 3000 tanks are waiting to move in to Pakistan

Do you think that these guys care, I assure you of one thing that if God Forbid India attacks today all they will do is talk. Because for them all that matters is what they want, and that is by hook or by crook. And mostly it is the crooked way that they chose.