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The intruders'.
They shouldnt be there and should go away.
But what about the reasons for the regional intrusion and the causes thereof?
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The intruders'.
They shouldnt be there and should go away.
You are playing the broken old record.
There are millions of israelis living in USA--does that mean israel is a poor country?
While i am not saying pakistan is a rich country but reasons of living abroad are not limited to finances.
Every nation wants self respect.self reliance and freedom.
And USA is consistantly taking away all these from Pakistan,thats why pakistanis are annoyed.
Correction: Millions of Jews not millions of Isreali's, there is a differance there. Oh sorry your one of the 'rich' Pakistani's. Let me than disabuse you of a few things. Most Pakistan are living in the West because of finances. Why else would they live amongst thye 'Kufar'? Millions more would come here was it not for immigration controls.
Do you know where we need self respect? Millions of us have lied and cheated to get to the West. We lie, we forge, we hide in lorries, catch boats and risk our lives to come to the 'Kuffar' West. Wonder why?
And F-16s can go to scrap yard? Well pretty boy your sat all safe and enscoced in the West but you want to ask PAF chief why they bought those F-16s? Do you know how much they cost to buy? The US refused to sell them to us and eventually we managed to get 18 in 2009. All the rest are being upgraded in Turkey.
You might think they are 'white elephants' but PAF thinks differant because the PAF is the main strike fighter against any other threats to Pakistan from India. It is the only PAF plane that can tackle Indian Su-30s. THe PAF F-16s in tandem with the Swedish Hawkeye are the cutting edge of Pakistani air defence. Both are from the West.
If the US told the Turks to not upgrade the Pakistani F-16s the Turks would listen to USA. Go ask the Turkish members here. Our expensive F-16s would be just junk than. There are other things also but you should get the picture -
F-16s can go to scrap yard,they have always been white elephants.
Can you also find out the following?
1. What are the largest markets for Pakistani exports [ Hint USA and Europe ]
2. If USA and the West denied us their market what would happen to Pakistani economy. [ Hint we would be bankrupt ]
3. How much of foreign remittances that help to float Pak economy come from the West? [Hint a lot ]
In fact Pakistan should not scale down the demand for money..Ramp it up and ask more money per truck....as USA is now tasting the bitterness of their Arrogance..
100 Million a months...Lets see for how long they can sustain that.
Thats 1.2 billion USD per year. <0.2% of our defense budget. You really want to make that your biggest bargaining point?
The intruders'.
They shouldnt be there and should go away.
Dong ........ Dong ............ Dong You hit the hammer on the head " they should'nt be there" because no instruders means no Drones and means no crazy Yanks.
"They should go away" Eh? How? By using the magic Abracadebrah go away? Who is going to make them go away? If we did that, had we done that or better not allowed these intruders into Pakistan in the first place there would be no crazy Yanks in our country.
But we did not do that that and even now we are not seriously doing it.
If we had not let OBL 'intrude' into Pakistan or failing that if we had caught Bin Laden there would have been no US 'intrusion' of Pakistani sovereignity' when those US Navy SEAL'S came to Abbotabad.
the f16 deal was going on since the cold war era. Much of the payment wss made in 90s,so PAF had to complete the deal.
Once PAF gets rid of reliance on USA.
Money can be spared for purchase of cheaper and far more reliable chinese jets.
Plus f16 have many strings attached. USA bars PAF from usimg them outside pakistani territory so they are useless anyway.
Give the most sophisticated equipment to Pakistan
The simplest solution to the USA problem of removing heavy equipment from Afghanistan post 2013 would be for the USA to give that equipment to the Afghan army and/or to the Pakistani army. Anything vital to the USA in a national secret-sense could be flown out or taken over the norther route out of Afghanistan. After all, post-Afghanistan, the USA shouldn't be engaging in such fights that it needs the heavy equipment it brought in over the past 10 years. Give the most sophisticated equipment to Pakistan, if it is too much for the Afghani's to use. In the meantime, the USA should just spend the extra $1B per year and let the Pakistani truckers find new customers. And, the Pentagon can easily offset the extra $1B per year out of the funds it had planned to spend for military assistance to Pakistan.
@Atanz.
You may be some lazy git living on state benifits,but diffetent story with me. I generated lots of revenue for british government and sent lots of money to pakistan , so my presence in any of the two countries cannot be frowned upon.
About F-16 . What good is a plane if parys supply isnt reliable and restrictions on use?
Thats why chinese fighters will be better.
In 90s or 2000 when the f16s deal was made chinese jets werent mature even then PAF main stay were F-7.
Now jf-17 and j-11b are far more suited to PAF needs but no money to buy them because money spent on F-16s
Plus f-16s werent gifted to pakistan,they were sold and pakistan paid for,so stop being so thankful to USA.
And i see you too are resident in UK,
So please scrape yourself from the floor and learn to live with some self respect.
We are here because we do tnings the locals either wont or cant,and the money we earn is well deserved.
Get yourself out of your inferiority complex.
It's not a bargaining point at all. At least I don't see it as such. It's the price Nato/US is paying for killing 24 Pak soldiers.Thats 1.2 billion USD per year. <0.2% of our defense budget. You really want to make that your biggest bargaining point?