Pakistan needs to replace China with Russia

[Yaseen1]

china is good for economic support but it is difficult they will fight along us in any war as they believe in soft power projection,they are unable to fight for taiwan which is more important to them,russia on other hand has history of military use and using it in fighting for interest like they recently invaded part of ukraine and annexed it and also fighting for Syrian govt,I think we should improve relation with russia without hurting relation with china.We can offer russia our ports for ship building and developing aircraft carriers as russia is unable to build such large ships due to lack of big ports as they are mostly surrounded with snow,this will train our staff for building ships domestically and increase our capability as well as employment

Pakistan cannot become china and russia due to our small size and high population unless we acquire more regions and form strong alliance

How about we make Pakistan the next China or Russia?

That's certainly what Baba e qoum and Alam e Iqbal imagined.

But that will actually require spending on education instead of filling your bank accounts and starving the nation with wheat and sugar to earn a cheap dime.

Anyhow, Russia is history and i doubt they will ever forget what we did to them back when. Not an easy thing to forget lol

 

[rott]

they are unable to fight for taiwan

Wrong! We are capable to fight for Taiwan, but we are unable to bear the losses of our own Han people.

 

[Yaseen1]

capability is there but political will be important in any war,china is not ready to take risk for taiwan in current time

Wrong! We are capable to fight for Taiwan, but we are unable to bear the losses of our own Han people.

 

[Canuck786]

You in the Pakistan cricket team?

Draw comparison of Pakistani cricket team member with the Leader of 130 crore people. Feeling low much?

 

[rott]

capability is there but political will be important in any war,china is not ready to take risk for taiwan in current time

Okay!

 

[Jackdaws]

Draw comparison of Pakistani cricket team member with the Leader of 130 crore people. Feeling low much?

I guess you have a very low opinion of your players. Don't blame you there though. I am sure - "Boyz plaayed vell tooday".

 

[TNT]

Replacing China is only with regards to defence purchases. We will still engage and allow China to invest in CPEC projects. I don't have any comprehension issues. It seems like you are the who is unable to understand.

You know nothing about what ur talking. Countries envy the kind of relationship we have with china and u want to replace them? What kind of sane person would do that? U have zero knowledge of the relations india and russia have, do u not see ur economy? The spare part purchase by india is larger than ur whole procurement budget so why would be russians so dumb to ditch india???
Do u know russia was not even ready to sell us engines, they wont sell sophisticated weapons either while china would share every technology with us and u want to replace them?? China will soon surpass russia and at this moment u want to replace them?? Seriously there is something wrong with ur brain. Didn't u see what hapenned to Turkey???? How they replaced US with russia and russia backstabbed them and now they are nowhere, do u want us to be in that position??? Russia itself will soon rely on china and we have the best relations and u want to replace them, just wow.
Cpec is not just business but has a military dimension as well, ur not in a position to dictate things and "allow" investment. There is something called interoperability between armed forces and that requires purchases and standardizing things, Pakistan has worked for decades to achieve this and u want to replace it as if its a kids collection, just change it yeah.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You know nothing about what ur talking. Countries envy the kind of relationship we have with china and u want to replace them? What kind of sane person would do that? U have zero knowledge of the relations india and russia have, do u not see ur economy? The spare oart purchase by india is larger than ur whole procurement budget so why would be russians so dumb to ditch india???
Do u know russia was not even ready to sell us engines, they wont sell sophisticated weapons either while china would share every technology with us and u want to replace them?? China will soon surpass russia and at this moment u want to replace them?? Seriously there is something wrong with ur brain. Disnt u see what hapenned to Turkey???? How they replaced US with russia and russia backstabbed them and now they are nowhere, do u want us to be in that position??? Russia itself will soon rely on china and we have the best relations and u want to replace them, jist wow.

EXCELLENT POST!.................TBH Everything we need to become a powerful and advanced nation we can get from China. Not only that, what the Chinese have done for Pakistan, no other nation has EVER done for another country. Our relationship with China is a relationship of brotherhood and sisterhood. Also, the future of Pakistan is intertwined with that of China. We can NEVER EVER have such a relationship with Russia. We can have cordial ties with them and that's it. Apart from China, the ONLY other country who can have a major relationship with us is Turkey. That's it.

 

[jaibi]

Pakistan has proven to have something rarely seen in IR: loyalty. We would definitely welcome all allies but never at the expense of other allies.

Is it time to replace China with Russia?

No doubt China has given us many technologies and weapon systems but they don't to it for the love of Pakistan rather to confront India.

Even if Pakistan does not buy any weapons from China, they will still consider India as their rival & enemy. So they is no risk of China selling any weapons to India.

On the other hand, Russia had been selling weapons to India for many decades now but this relationship is very weak today thanks to Modi who is anti-Russia. Today, Modi's India is primarily buying weapons from the US.

Hence, Pakistan buying weapons from Russia instead of China would break the Russia-India relationship permanently and we could get advanced weapons systems from Russia.

 

[rott]

Do you have a talking parrot?

hahahahaha.....

 

[JafarQureshi]

china is good for economic support but it is difficult they will fight along us in any war as they believe in soft power projection,they are unable to fight for taiwan which is more important to them,russia on other hand has history of military use and using it in fighting for interest like they recently invaded part of ukraine and annexed it and also fighting for Syrian govt,I think we should improve relation with russia without hurting relation with china.We can offer russia our ports for ship building and developing aircraft carriers as russia is unable to build such large ships due to lack of big ports as they are mostly surrounded with snow,this will train our staff for building ships domestically and increase our capability as well as employment

Pakistan cannot become china and russia due to our small size and high population unless we acquire more regions and form strong alliance

capability is there but political will be important in any war,china is not ready to take risk for taiwan in current time

Brother. Great posts.

As you said Chinese have capability but they are not great warriors.

All through their history they have always found defending.

They constructed a the Great wall to protect themselves from the Mongols.

The less we talk about their performance against Japan the better.

Heck even today with all the technology, money and military power, they do not even carry arms on their border with India which probably is their biggest enemy.

Chinese are not even willing to fight their wars. Expecting them to fight for us is living in fools paradise.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Russia is an unreliable ally. You can never depend on them. They could backstab you any minute. Turkey and Iran know this well.

China has a lot of problems but being unreliable is not one of them. China is dependable and stick by their allies in both good and bad times. Russia changes sides like the weather based on what suits them. Putin has no issue throwing Turkey or Iran under the bus when he feels like it.

I feel the same way. Great post.

Chima is the only reliable weapon supplier to Pakistan now.

I understand Pakistani want to diversify the weapon supplier, improve relationship with other countries, cooperation with Muslim countries in weapon developing, finally self sufficient. But there's no option to replace China in near future.

Turkey is just as reliable.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Pakistan has proven to have something rarely seen in IR: loyalty. We would definitely welcome all allies but never at the expense of other allies.

Of course China is one of our closest allies. Having said that every nation has their limitations and Chinese are not great warriors. They simply do not have stomach to fight.

The fact is Russia will fight for her allies while China will not.

In the years to come US, India and NATO are going get much closer and we will see a day where these allied forces will come after Pakistan. Do you frankly think that China will fight againt such an alliance for Pakistan? I will any day put my money on Russia instead of China.

Russia has time and again demonstrated that they are not afraid to fight be it India, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela etc.

Wrong! We are capable to fight for Taiwan, but we are unable to bear the losses of our own Han people.

You are unable to bear the losses for your fellow Han Chinese? How in they world will you defend Pakistan when it is time to fight againt US-NATO-India alliance?

You know nothing about what ur talking. Countries envy the kind of relationship we have with china and u want to replace them? What kind of sane person would do that? U have zero knowledge of the relations india and russia have, do u not see ur economy? The spare part purchase by india is larger than ur whole procurement budget so why would be russians so dumb to ditch india???
Do u know russia was not even ready to sell us engines, they wont sell sophisticated weapons either while china would share every technology with us and u want to replace them?? China will soon surpass russia and at this moment u want to replace them?? Seriously there is something wrong with ur brain. Didn't u see what hapenned to Turkey???? How they replaced US with russia and russia backstabbed them and now they are nowhere, do u want us to be in that position??? Russia itself will soon rely on china and we have the best relations and u want to replace them, just wow.
Cpec is not just business but has a military dimension as well, ur not in a position to dictate things and "allow" investment. There is something called interoperability between armed forces and that requires purchases and standardizing things, Pakistan has worked for decades to achieve this and u want to replace it as if its a kids collection, just change it yeah.

Again you seem to twist my posts, intentionally or unintentionally.

I clearly said we will still engage with China on the economic front and allow China to invest in CPEC. Chinese are good businessmen and we should take their investments to become strong economically.

Having said that engaging with Chinese on buying weapons is a futile exercise. They will sell us arms but will never fight for us.

If we invest the same money to procure arms from Russia, we can bet Russia will fight for us.

Cpec is not just business but has a military dimension as well, ur not in a position to dictate things and "allow" investment. There is something called interoperability between armed forces and that requires purchases and standardizing things, Pakistan has worked for decades to achieve this and u want to replace it as if its a kids collection, just change it yeah.

We need interoperability with Russia not China.

Russia will fight for us while China will never fight for us in a war against US-NATO-India.

Do u know russia was not even ready to sell us engines, they wont sell sophisticated weapons either while china would share every technology with us and u want to replace them?? China will soon surpass russia and at this moment u want to replace them?? Seriously there is something wrong with ur brain. Didn't u see what hapenned to Turkey???? How they replaced US with russia and russia backstabbed them and now they are nowhere, do u want us to be in that position??? Russia itself will soon rely on china and we have the best relations and u want to replace them, just wow.

You seem to be stuck in the past. Look at India. They were against US in 1971 but US is their biggest ally today.

Russia is offering us weapons. It is we who is dilly dallying on their offers.

Russia is even constructing gas pipeline.

Chinese may have money but Russians have the wherewithal to deliver.

Pakistan signs offshore pipeline agreement with Gazprom

https://www.reuters.com/article/pak...pipeline-agreement-with-gazprom-idUSL5N2022ZB

 

[IblinI]

Of course China is one of our closest allies. Having said that every nation has their limitations and Chinese are not great warriors. They simply do not have stomach to fight.

The fact is Russia will fight for her allies while China will not.

In the years to come US, India and NATO are going get much closer and we will see a day where these allied forces will come after Pakistan. Do you frankly think that China will fight againt such an alliance for Pakistan? I will any day put my money on Russia instead of China.

Russia has time and again demonstrated that they are not afraid to fight be it India, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Venezuela etc.



You are unable to bear the losses for your fellow Han Chinese? How in they world will you defend Pakistan when it is time to fight againt US-NATO-India alliance?



Again you seem to twist my posts, intentionally or unintentionally.

I clearly said we will still engage with China on the economic front and allow China to invest in CPEC. Chinese are good businessmen and we should take their investments to become strong economically.

Having said that engaging with Chinese on buying weapons is a futile exercise. They will sell us arms but will never fight for us.

If we invest the same money to procure arms from Russia, we can bet Russia will fight for us.



We need interoperability with Russia not China.

Russia will fight for us while China will never fight for us in a war against US-NATO-India.



You seem to be stuck in the past. Look at India. They were against US in 1971 but US is their biggest ally today.

Russia is offering us weapons. It is we who is dilly dallying on their offers.

Russia is even constructing gas pipeline.

Chinese may have money but Russians have the wherewithal to deliver.

Pakistan signs offshore pipeline agreement with Gazprom

https://www.reuters.com/article/pak...pipeline-agreement-with-gazprom-idUSL5N2022ZB

Friend, you can not compared Apple with orange in this case China and Rus,both having different historical， cultural and most importantly geopolitical background.Unnessery war is the last thing a country that is currently sitting at the second place wanted when the superpower is eyeing on you, harassing you daily for you to make a mistake, but with Russian having no intenstion nor potiential to replaced US, you can clearly see the US is shifting its majorioty focus to China.

As for the warrior race thing, the founding father of PRC has proved when the times come, we are willing to sacrificed anything and able to pushed back and hold the line against a superpower that is thousand, hundred thousand times stronger than the newly borned Red China.PS:our ancestors were once a little tribe living beside the yellow river and they have literally conqured their known world to called the country Central Kingdom.
“War should be the politics of last resort.”
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. " -Sun Tzu.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Friend, you can not compared Apple with orange in this case China and Rus,both having different historical， cultural and most importantly geopolitical background.Unnessery war is the last thing a country that is currently sitting at the second place wanted when the superpower is eyeing on you, harassing you daily for you to make a mistake, but with Russian having no intenstion nor potiential to replaced US, you can clearly see the US is shifting its majorioty focus to China.

As for the warrior race thing, the founding father of PRC has proved when the times come, we are willing to sacrificed anything and able to pushed back and hold the line against a superpower that is thousand, hundred thousand times stronger than the newly borned Red China.PS:our ancestors were once a little tribe living beside the yellow river and they have literally conqured their known world to called the country Central Kingdom.
“War should be the politics of last resort.”
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. " -Sun Tzu.

Your post clearly supports my take that China will not fight for us.

1) Russia is fighting even when they are weak economically while on the other hand you are worried about getting into a fight as it would rock your economy. Do you see the difference?

2) Chinese parents are worried about sending their single child to war to die for China. Forget about they sending their child to die for Pakistan

To para phrase Sun Tzu, Pakistan's war will be your battle that you can afford to lose to win a war for China at a later date.