Pakistan Navy's FAC-4, a First Indigenously produced warship, launched at Karachi Shipyard

[time pass]

So buying Type 051, Destroyers and maintaining them is not an issue specially since most of the time these ships will stay close to Pakistan's sea areas

Don't know why you are emphasizing on 051s obsolete ships ....

There are few other better options for the sake of argument ...

• 051B (Recently completed MLU)
• 054s (Currently both are under going MLU)
• 052Bs (Currently both stripped & waiting for MLU)
• SOUVs (Currently 2 are under going MLU out of 4)

These are 9 ships in total & will be very handy for PN, even if manage few of them from above list.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I listed the ships which were deemed a surplus to Chinese Navys similar to how OHP was surplus asset

 

[time pass]

Well I listed the ships which were deemed a surplus to Chinese Navys similar to how OHP was surplus asset

My below listed ships also somehow surplus for PLAN as they are not very actively involve with PLAN activities, non of the below mentioned DDGs went on PLAN overseas deployments or participated any international exercises...

Don't know why you are emphasizing on 051s obsolete ships ....

There are few other better options for the sake of argument ...

• 051B (Recently completed MLU)
• 054s (Currently both are under going MLU)
• 052Bs (Currently both stripped & waiting for MLU)
• SOUVs (Currently 2 are under going MLU out of 4)

These are 9 ships in total & will be very handy for PN, even if manage few of them from above list.

 

[S.Y.A]

Arent they making a shipyard in gawadar. I thought the construction on that started last year. @ghazi52 do u know if it's being constructed?

Yes, there are plans, and till date idk no work has been started on the ground.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The PLAN 051s will be bad news maintenance/use wise. If you want to fast-build a fleet, then pay Damen to roll out 4 more 2,500-ton corvettes and load them with Harbah ASCM and, when available, the supersonic ASCM.

I believe these are copies of Luda class destroyers and really old and based upon Chinese Tech of the mid to late sixties.

 

[ghazi52]

Arent they making a shipyard in gawadar. I thought the construction on that started last year. @ghazi52 do u know if it's being constructed?

Next ten years not possible.
No skill manpower
No secondary industries
No accommodations for the staff,
No fund

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Next ten years not possible.
No skill manpower
No secondary industries
No accommodations for the staff,
No fund

Kill manpower is lacking in every department, in Pakistan.

 

[Dreamer.]

Next ten years not possible.
No skill manpower
No secondary industries
No accommodations for the staff,
No fund

No logical excuse, not a single one of them! Except may be funding, but solution could be found for that too.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Manpower is never an issue, Pakistani engineers are building all mega projects in Pakistan and in Middle east for last 50 years

We just need decision making, that yes we are bringing in 10 destroyers from China the maintenance and looking after will be done in Engineering

Once 4-10 ships arrive, the hiring can be done for Engineers who can look after these crafts if needed to expand capacity

 

[Tank131]

Well I listed the ships which were deemed a surplus to Chinese Navys similar to how OHP was surplus asset

Your comparison of OHP to 051 is woefully misguided. Firstly the 70s era OHP is built better and more automated than the 051 making it significantly more expensive to operate. The systems on the 4000t OHP enable it to be crewed by 176 men. The 3600t 051 by comparison requires a 280 man crew! Just manning it requipres 100 more men per ship. That means 400 more men for 4 051 vs 4 OHP. That is time for training and money that should be spent elsewhere.

And why all that manpower? Because the 051 is very minimally automaticated. The 051s SAMs for example require manual reloads. The firepower it carries is 16 AShM and 8 HQ-7 with 16 in reserves (which meed manual loading). Compare that to the original OHP which boasts a 40 Missile capacity (any combination of SM-1MR and Harpoon). And the whole system is automated using the Mk13 launcher/magazine. But PN got stuck with a lemon of circumstance because Alamgir's mk13 was removed along with the rest of the OHP that remained in USN service during the 2000s. That being said it came COMPLETELY FREE with the only payment being the refurbishment to make sure it was sea worthy. And the original plan was for 4-6 OHP all undergoing the Genesis upgrade with the installation of a Mk41 8 cell launcher (or sylver A50) and the equipment of 32 ESSM, allowing 32 medium ranged SAMs and as many 8 harpoons in boxes (as the mk13 arm was removed) and a new GENESIS combat management system with upgraded electronics (basically a G-Class frigate from turkey or electronically upgraded Adelaide without the mk13) . THAT all fell through when ESSM was refused and no further OHP were offered, although they could have gotten the Adelaides but that alas PN didnt go that route for some reason. The upgrades necessary to make 051b even remotely worth the effort are too financially daunting. You would need to change the entire firing systems, electronics and train 4 NEW crews and pay them when they would be made obsolete when JINNAHs come online. Spend that money to MLU the f22p instead.

Btw the OHP were sought in early 2000s when PN had no other options for high powered frigates. A Genesis Frigate btw would outgun any ship in the IN with 32 SAMS of 50km range, 40 SAM of 45km range and 8 Harpoons (can decrease sm-1mr numbers amd increase Harpoons if they want)