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Does indian scrpenes are equipped with those ?
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Does indian scrpenes are equipped with those ?
You DONT!"how would you hide a land based prototype of naval reactor"?--maybe you can answer this question?
And Arsalan will say the same again.As per @Arsalan past posts the work on rector design is been on hold for several years due to financial constraints
The idea actually came up due to the perception that the eastern bit of our neighbor was "safe" from our arsenal.You DONT!
You do not HIDE a land based prototype of a naval reactor but you use misinform people about its purpose and quietly and silently keep working on it. Do you really think you know about the exact number of reactors operational in Pakistan at various locations? Labs and defense industry? EVERYTHING included?
I will drop a hint, theoretically speaking, it usually goes hand in hand with a full large scale nuclear reactor at some power facility!! OR a a lab//research institute!!
Just saying how it is done, not how we are DOING. Do keep the difference in mind before jumping into an other argument for the sake of it.
And Arsalan will say the same again.
However i am not sure if it is the financial constraints that held us back. What was the real reason is a matter of speculation (one may even argue that the "lack of need" was a reason. What we were actually looking for can be acquired in form of conventional subs as @Oscar pointed out as well) but what i know is that the program was put in cold storage for a decade or so. There were these talks of reviving it not too long ago. However that was on a slow burner, a VERY VERY slow burner (mainly just in talks and meetings)
Other conceptual factors could take root too. For example, we have managed to roll out miniature nuclear warheads and - from what some reports say - boosters, enabling us to weaponize LACMs. Nuclear-tipped LACMs can be deployed from conventional AIP submarines, and may even be a bigger risk since the pool of prospective launch platforms - i.e. 8 modified Yuan SSPs - is much larger than fewer SSBNs. The MAD impact may not be there, but targeted strikes against incredibly valuable military industrial complexes (e.g. factories, shipyards, etc) or vital infrastructure is still a real risk in that scenario.The idea actually came up due to the perception that the eastern bit of our neighbor was "safe" from our arsenal.
Technically the shaheen 3 remedies that, but even with the highly mobile launch systems that we have; there is always a probability that they could be targeted during a surprise strike with assistance from our "allies".
So the need to have a force at sea came up.
Based on our finances, the conops and requirements have evolved. So while a SSBN would have been thought out in 2003 with the economy roaring on, even our basic arsenal was being a burden under zardari.
Now that things are looking up again, the project comes back into the screws being worked on again.
The economy plays a big factor since we are not keen on a Soviet Union like burn out as technically our deterrent is enough.
The idea actually came up due to the perception that the eastern bit of our neighbor was "safe" from our arsenal.
Technically the shaheen 3 remedies that, but even with the highly mobile launch systems that we have; there is always a probability that they could be targeted during a surprise strike with assistance from our "allies".
So the need to have a force at sea came up.
Based on our finances, the conops and requirements have evolved. So while a SSBN would have been thought out in 2003 with the economy roaring on, even our basic arsenal was being a burden under zardari.
Now that things are looking up again, the project comes back into the screws being worked on again.
The economy plays a big factor since we are not keen on a Soviet Union like burn out as technically our deterrent is enough.
That they may be, but losing even 40-50 nukes before they are launched or used is a loss.The chances of anyone locating & destroying all of Pakistani nukes on land is zero
That they may be, but losing even 40-50 nukes before they are launched or used is a loss.
Losing the launch platforms is worse.
my take is USA or India or anyone else cannot destroy Pakistani nukes without nuking Pakistan
pre-emptive nuclear strike is impossible to justify under any circumstance
given that the acquisition of SSBN/SLBM is a prestige game of matching up with India
That they may be, but losing even 40-50 nukes before they are launched or used is a loss.
Losing the launch platforms is worse.
Please comment on the lines in black too@Indus Falcon Would you like to comment on the above statement in red?
How far do you think you can go in 5 minutes?will that me even possible ? i mean any Ballistic or CM entering Pakistan Orbital Space will get some Attention from the Radar , and will be detected .. so without wasting any time can't we just move in our Nukes into some underground safe bunkers ?
How far do you think you can go in 5 minutes?
Lets assume we launched at New Dehli, from a location 640km away. The location of the launcher is pretty plausible even though the Shaheen II is probably not aimed there, we will assume that it is being used.
lets say the missile launched at 5:15 PST. then going through boost and orbital phase.
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By 5:17, the missile has already crossed the border and following the elliptical path that ballistic missiles do.
by 5:20 it is all over. What could ANYBODY In New Dehli do within 5 minutes to save themselves?
Even if they all got into Bugatti Veyrons.
The same goes for any nuke picked up on our side.
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The idea of MANPADS from subs is quite old.
No. At least not likely. The A3SM project was first unveiled during Euronaval 2012. In 2005, India chose the Scorpène design. The first Indian Scorpene was laid down 1 April 2009. The other 2 respectively October 2011 and December 2012. The first Scorpène submarine, INS Kalvari, undocked for the purpose of sea trials in April 2015 and will be delivered in September 2016.Does indian scrpenes are equipped with those ?
Exactly. That is what our people need to understand. Things are prioritized by sane people and then the funds are allocated accordingly.The idea actually came up due to the perception that the eastern bit of our neighbor was "safe" from our arsenal.
Technically the shaheen 3 remedies that, but even with the highly mobile launch systems that we have; there is always a probability that they could be targeted during a surprise strike with assistance from our "allies".
So the need to have a force at sea came up.
Based on our finances, the conops and requirements have evolved. So while a SSBN would have been thought out in 2003 with the economy roaring on, even our basic arsenal was being a burden under zardari.
Now that things are looking up again, the project comes back into the screws being worked on again.
The economy plays a big factor since we are not keen on a Soviet Union like burn out as technically our deterrent is enough.
Well once those nuclear tipped missile is launched, it is all over! The 5hit will hit the fan and it will be all over. Not talking about impact or detonation but the launch itself will be enough to trigger a nuclear apocalypse.How far do you think you can go in 5 minutes?