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Because these people in the Military and Civilian Establishment know that there is no accountability, and that they are above the common sheep aka people. And hence, they keep on exploiting the country and its people with both hands, left, right, center and everywhere.
It originates (and benefits) the worst apples, but the result is that everyone else (including non-corrupt people) comes off as arrogant, while viewing the rest of us as illiterate, naive and ungrateful.
 
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It originates (and benefits) the worst apples, but the result is that everyone else (including non-corrupt people) comes off as arrogant, while viewing the rest of us as illiterate, naive and ungrateful.[
isn`t this the same mentality that british had for their Indian slaves. Gap between military and civilans is increasing beyond control. Something needs to be done!!!!
 
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Navy Recognition

Pakistan Navy lays the keel of 1st milgem class corvette in Turkey

June News 2020 Navy Naval Maritime Defense Industry

POSTED ON THURSDAY, 04 JUNE 2020

The keel-laying ceremony of 1st MILGEM Class Corvette for Pakistan Navy was held at Istanbul Naval Shipyard (INSY), Turkey. Chief Naval Overseas (Turkey), Commodore Syed Rizwan Khalid graced the occasion as Chief Guest.


Pakistan Navy lays the keel of 1st milgem class corvette in Turkey 925 001Ada Class ASW Corvette, TCG Heybeliada (Picture source: Turkish Defense Technology)

For the record, the contract for four corvettes for Pakistan Navy with Transfer of Technology was signed with ASFAT. The PN is to receive its first two MILGEM ships in 2023, and the last two by 2025. Two of the ships will be built in Turkey, while the other two will be built in Pakistan by Karachi Shipyards & Engineering Works. Istanbul Shipyard cut the steel of the first PN MILGEM in September 2019.

Speaking at the occasion, the Chief Guest highlighted that the project is the manifestation of strong relations between Pakistan and Turkey. He appreciated the MILGEM project for its construction standards, outfitting and performance.

The ceremony was attended by officials of Pakistan Navy, dignities and representatives of ASFAT, Istanbul Naval Shipyard and Turkish Lloyd.

Pakistan Navy lays the keel of 1st milgem class corvette in Turkey 925 002Ada Class ASW Corvette, TCG Heybeliada (Picture source: Turkish Defense Technology)

About MILGEM Class Corvettes:

The MILGEM Class Corvettes will be state-of-the-art Surface platform equipped with a modern surface, subsurface and anti-air weapons, sensors and Combat Management System. These ships will be among the most technologically advanced platforms of Pakistan Navy and will significantly contribute in maintaining peace, stability and balance of power in the Indian Ocean Region.

The corvettes are armed with a 76-millimeter gun, missiles and torpedoes. The ship is capable of carrying Sikorsky S-70 helicopter or unmanned aircraft, along with the associated armaments, 20 tons of JP-5 aircraft fuel, aerial refuelling systems and maintenance facilities.

During AMAN-19, the Pakistan Navy’s biennial multi-national exercise, the PN Chief of Naval Staff (CNS), Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, said that the PN’s MILGEMs will be equipped with the Chinese HQ-16 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system through a 16-cell vertical launch system (VLS). In a sense, the MILGEM for Pakistan can be the fourth variant, though it is more of a side or lateral branch-out from the Ada-class than a vertical development like the Istanbul-class or TF-2000. In addition, the PN’s MILGEMs will deploy a modified version of the GENESIS combat management system (CMS).

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isn`t this the same mentality that british had for their Indian slaves. Gap between military and civilans is increasing beyond control. Something needs to be done!!!!

They were the British Indian Army after all. The most loyal locals to the goras. Willing to kill their own for the white master. 1947 didn't transform them magically into revolutionaries and loyal hum watans to the people.

I don't mean to target the Pakistani armed forces. I say this for India / Pakistan / Bangladesh. All of them have that strange mentality. In BD they see the civilians as the enemy. You will never find this mindset in the noncolonized militaries of the world.
 
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Alhumdulilah! Pakistan Navy is heading towards right path after decades we just need to finish these projects Asap. Enemy is counting every step.
The keel-laying ceremony of Pakistan #Navy's first #MILGEM Class Corvette was held in #Turkey. This contract for 04 corvettes was signed with ASFAT for the construction of 02 corvettes in Turkey and two in #Pakistan.

[emoji1191][emoji1250][emoji1191][emoji1250] https://t.co/uVLMqhL7E3
 
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Convocation of 49th Pak Navy Staff Course held at PN War College, Lhr. COMCEP/Cmdt PNWC R/Adm M Zubair Shafique was Chief Guest. Chief Guest conferred degrees on 93 Graduates of course, including 60 officers of PN, 03 frm Pak Army, 05 frm PAF & 25 officers frm friendly countries. https://t.co/ZUshQ6nWQh
 
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What are the odds of working a Babur/harbah variant to carry a Yu-7 for ASW?
...as in insert a lightweight torpedo into the AShM's payload? If so, then it depends on whether the PN envisions a need for that kind of capability. Of the three service arms, it's proven to be the most daring/out there, so maybe...
 
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...as in insert a lightweight torpedo into the AShM's payload? If so, then it depends on whether the PN envisions a need for that kind of capability. Of the three service arms, it's proven to be the most daring/out there, so maybe...

PN the most daring service arm? Come Bhai. PAF and the JF-17 project was by far the riskiest and daring thing any of our services have ever done in terms of procurement.
 
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PN the most daring service arm? Come Bhai. PAF and the JF-17 project was by far the riskiest and daring thing any of our services have ever done in terms of procurement.
The PAF was the most daring, but right now, the PN is ahead.

1. The PN broke out of its comfort zone and selected a clean-sheet design from Turkey, and then opted for design training from Turkey and learn how to build a frigate without OEM KoMs. It'll own the rights to this frigate, so it can build them on its own without OEM support.

Due respect to the PAF on the JF-17, but you look back at it you see that they went with a stable, lightweight fighter design rather than co-fund the larger, high-risk J-10. Not only that, but the end result of the JF-17 has largely been that of a Chinese fighter with limited customization on our end.

It's as if we bought a Chinese jet off-the-shelf, and are co-producing it in Pakistan. Proof? What radar do the Block-I, Block-II and now Block-III use? Chinese. What BVRAAM? Chinese. What AShM? Chinese.

In 1999, the thought the PAF planners had at that time was to have full rights and capacity to customizing this fighter, and we even began to talk with South Africa on this front (to co-develop munitions). But instead, later PAF planners regressed in this vision, and went with whatever China had, even for their 'own' fighter.

It can be due to a lack of capacity on our end to absorb the full technology. So, why not build that capacity? Why did national funds go into buying the one Block-52+ squadron ($1.5 billion!) instead of enough R&D so that we can configure the JF-17 to our will as well as develop our own munitions for it? What happened?

The PAF might have had the vision initially, but it went into old, comfortable thinking later on.

The PN, in contrast, went with a ship design that's barely in service (MILGEM), then got it customized with VLS (a subsystem it never had), then asked for the design rights so it can arm it to its own will. So, that's why the PN is able to talk about putting a Chinese SAM along with Pakistani AShM/LACM to the MILGEM.

Where's PAF? Chinese KLJ-7A? Chinese PL-15? Not even a pilot project to co-develop an HMD/S with someone, I bet they're waiting for a Chinese solution there too. Nothing wrong with it, but definitely not daring.

2. The PN opted for a 'J-10-moment' by taking on its own jet-powered LRMPA project. To even integrate hardpoints and weapons on a passenger jet needs serious capacity, which Pakistan doesn't have. So, the PN is either going out on a limb and working with a partner who does have it, or it's building that capacity in Pakistan.

You can talk to the PAF right now, they'd never do this unless they absolutely had no other option (i.e., no Chinese option). The PN could've waited or picked-up a workable Chinese option, but they opted to go the route of their own original solution (albeit with an undisclosed partner).

It's still a high-risk project, but again, the PN will likely go a step further and customize it with the subsystems and weapons of its choice. I wouldn't put it past the PN to try fitting the Ra'ad II ALCM to this LRMPA.

3. The PN's tried taking it even a step further with an in-house miniature SSK project, which opens them up to a whole other ball game, i.e., submarine design, testing, etc.
 
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The PAF was the most daring, but right now, the PN is ahead.
IMHO, there are no big differences.
Proof? What radar do the Block-I, Block-II and now Block-III use? Chinese. What BVRAAM? Chinese. What AShM? Chinese.
If you can find better choices, Block-I/II/III of course can use other radars/BVRAAM/AShM...

Where's PAF? Chinese KLJ-7A? Chinese PL-15? Not even a pilot project to co-develop an HMD/S with someone, I bet they're waiting for a Chinese solution there too. Nothing wrong with it, but definitely not daring.
If you can bear the cost and risk, there are lots of choices.
PAF can try its "LCA", and every coin has its two sides...
 
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The PAF was the most daring, but right now, the PN is ahead.

1. The PN broke out of its comfort zone and selected a clean-sheet design from Turkey, and then opted for design training from Turkey and learn how to build a frigate without OEM KoMs. It'll own the rights to this frigate, so it can build them on its own without OEM support.

Due respect to the PAF on the JF-17, but you look back at it you see that they went with a stable, lightweight fighter design rather than co-fund the larger, high-risk J-10. Not only that, but the end result of the JF-17 has largely been that of a Chinese fighter with limited customization on our end.

It's as if we bought a Chinese jet off-the-shelf, and are co-producing it in Pakistan. Proof? What radar do the Block-I, Block-II and now Block-III use? Chinese. What BVRAAM? Chinese. What AShM? Chinese.

In 1999, the thought the PAF planners had at that time was to have full rights and capacity to customizing this fighter, and we even began to talk with South Africa on this front (to co-develop munitions). But instead, later PAF planners regressed in this vision, and went with whatever China had, even for their 'own' fighter.

It can be due to a lack of capacity on our end to absorb the full technology. So, why not build that capacity? Why did national funds go into buying the one Block-52+ squadron ($1.5 billion!) instead of enough R&D so that we can configure the JF-17 to our will as well as develop our own munitions for it? What happened?

The PAF might have had the vision initially, but it went into old, comfortable thinking later on.

The PN, in contrast, went with a ship design that's barely in service (MILGEM), then got it customized with VLS (a subsystem it never had), then asked for the design rights so it can arm it to its own will. So, that's why the PN is able to talk about putting a Chinese SAM along with Pakistani AShM/LACM to the MILGEM.

Where's PAF? Chinese KLJ-7A? Chinese PL-15? Not even a pilot project to co-develop an HMD/S with someone, I bet they're waiting for a Chinese solution there too. Nothing wrong with it, but definitely not daring.

2. The PN opted for a 'J-10-moment' by taking on its own jet-powered LRMPA project. To even integrate hardpoints and weapons on a passenger jet needs serious capacity, which Pakistan doesn't have. So, the PN is either going out on a limb and working with a partner who does have it, or it's building that capacity in Pakistan.

You can talk to the PAF right now, they'd never do this unless they absolutely had no other option (i.e., no Chinese option). The PN could've waited or picked-up a workable Chinese option, but they opted to go the route of their own original solution (albeit with an undisclosed partner).

It's still a high-risk project, but again, the PN will likely go a step further and customize it with the subsystems and weapons of its choice. I wouldn't put it past the PN to try fitting the Ra'ad II ALCM to this LRMPA.

3. The PN's tried taking it even a step further with an in-house miniature SSK project, which opens them up to a whole other ball game, i.e., submarine design, testing, etc.

You are blaming PAF for spending money on the very tech that helped give us an overwhelming advantage on 27th Feb? Block 52 is still most advanced plane in South Asia at the moment.

PAF has put MASSIVE resources into JF-17 and Project AZM

In house rebuild of SAAB 2000 after Kamra attack helped us regain a credible AEW capability and even order more at very low cost


PN has made constant procurement mistakes and wrong moves. Only reason for 8 Hangor subs and new Chinese frigates is need of China to protect CPEC.

We consistantly failed to capitalise on AGOSTA 90B Sub project. All that skill set has been lost.

We purchased Lynx Helicopters that we retired after just 5 years of use

OHP Frigate project was a joke. We thought we would get 6 and ended up with 1 minus SAM system

Bluntly put. PAF is a world class Air Force if you speak to any US, NATO, Chinese officer. Ask any foreign Naval officer about PN and they may respect it, but far far from world class.


in 20 years from now PAF have set the ground for for having an all JF-17 and AZM Fighter force.

PN Will basically be a subset of Chinese Navy with some European influence
 
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