Pakistan Navy has 2 new Swiftship corvettes on order

[TOPGUN]

Very nice PN is doing a good job with what they can !!

 

[Joe Shearer]

What the hell is wrong with PN and its policy makers. Two ships here, one ship there, rather than becoming a proficient naval force we are spending MILLIONS to transfer Navy into a Museum. All these different types (Chinese, Dutch, Turkish and now this America) ships makes no sense. One or MAX two types could have been bought in number to fill in all these roles enabling us to secure better deals financially, reduce infrastructure cost and avoid the maintenance and up gradation nightmare going forward.

I don't think they have figured out their task(s). These boats can intimidate fishermen, serve as long range radar stations or investigate suspicious small boat movement. For each of these, they are excessively powered and armed.

Looking at the PN as a whole, it seems to be acquiring systems and hulls without thinking things through.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nice and lovely

The goals are obvious

a) Improve the Coast guard capabilities which we have as some of the ships we got from US and China will help setup a reasonable coast guard presence, we missed out on the 8 Global cutter grant otherwise those patrol ships would have further improved none combat patrol in region.

b) Navy finally has focused on improving the Corvette class ships in Navy to help Patrolling the near shore duties. It is a new class of ships for Pakistan Navy so they will take some time to adjust to the new type of ships and role they play etc

c) The Addition of improved F22P frigate or other ship , plus the 8 Submarines are more longer strategic goals to make modest improvement in Navy's capabilities to meet Asian Level Standards for Marine security

 

[Gryphon]

The key isn't the weapons (you can fit those to a freight ship), but the hull and superstructure. Like the Damen OPV (incl OPV 1800) the Swift Corvette has an all-steel hull and superstructure (with the option of having an aluminium superstructure). This means it is a lower cost vessel, probably around the same area as the Damen OPV 1800 ($30-40 m for Malaysia?). It might be moot terminology, but the corvettes - e.g. Damen Sigma, MILGEM Ada, etc - have composite superstructures (i.e. much costlier, lower RCS, etc).

It's the role that decides the classification - corvettes as the OEM suggests.

BTW, no mention of those ships by Ex CNS Zakaullah.

 

[mingle]

There were friends on this forum who said yanks wont sell Pak anything Now due to Afghan issue ?.Ok How about if things start moving towards twin engine jett American knows Pak needs twin engine baby i wont surprise if we see news in this regard down the road .A powerful pak is in Americas interest .
End of the day its all about money and jobs .

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

It's the role that decides the classification - corvettes as the OEM suggests.

BTW, no mention of those ships by Ex CNS Zakaullah.

What's the 'role' of these 'corvettes' then? Based on the Marine News report, it is literally undertaking the same roles - word-for-word - as the Damen OPVs.

"The vessel is especially suited for Anti Surface, Anti Air Operations, Maritime Security Operations (MSO), Day & Night Helicopter Operations, Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) and Surveillance and Intelligence Gathering Operations."

https://www.app.com.pk/pakistan-to-construct-multipurpose-opv-indigenously/

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

There were friends on this forum who said yanks wont sell Pak anything Now due to Afghan issue ?.Ok How about if things start moving towards twin engine jett American knows Pak needs twin engine baby i wont surprise if we see news in this regard down the road .A powerful pak is in Americas interest .
End of the day its all about money and jobs .

However Pakistan can buy the needs from any country in world there are many companies looking for new clients

Indonesia makes ships
US makes ships
UK makes ships
France makes ships
Turkey makes ships
China makes ships etc
Russia makes ships
Holland makes ships

It is always best to do business with many international partners

We actually also do Made in Pakistan , manufacturing as well make our own stuff

 

[mingle]

However Pakistan can buy the needs from any country in world there are many companies looking for new clients

Indonesia makes ships
US makes ships
UK makes ships
France makes ships
Turkey makes ships
China makes ships etc
Russia makes ships

It is always best to do business with many international partners

We actually also do Made in Pakistan , manufacturing as well make our own stuff

True but not many countries built great planes .Keep watching u will see offer down the road .Boeing is very keen for making new clients .

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think we bought some planes from Boeing for PIA , quite expensive purchase so it is not like we have any policy of exclusion sometimes things are just bought based who can deliver items on time or sometimes we just have to wait till Trump is out of picture

 

[Thorough Pro]

A random interview by some guy, no confirmation from PN or MODP, and fan boys go ballistic on PN planners.
Are these two swiftships on order from Pakistan just like there are a number of Jf-17 on order from Nigeria, Myanmar, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Argentina, Iran, etc.?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

A random interview by some guy, no confirmation from PN or MODP, and fan boys go ballistic on PN planners.
Are these two swiftships on order from Pakistan just like there are a number of Jf-17 on order from Nigeria, Myanmar, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Argentina, Iran, etc.?

The 'random interview' was done with the CEO of Swiftships ... by two different news publications (Monche in Germany and Marine News in the U.S.) no less.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

A company will not lie on press release , stock can plunge and reputation can go to zero quickly , likely it was a old order and our head of Navy just forgot to mention this particular order

 

[Thorough Pro]

This is an SOC-R (pronounced SOK R) Special Operations Craft - Riverine (It's just a boat)

 

[Gryphon]

What's the 'role' of these 'corvettes' then? Based on the Marine News report, it is literally undertaking the same roles - word-for-word - as the Damen OPVs.

"The vessel is especially suited for Anti Surface, Anti Air Operations, Maritime Security Operations (MSO), Day & Night Helicopter Operations, Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) and Surveillance and Intelligence Gathering Operations."

https://www.app.com.pk/pakistan-to-construct-multipurpose-opv-indigenously/

I think you aren't getting my point.

Damen is marketing its ship as an OPV.

Swift 75m corvette can do the same duties in peacetime but as the MN article states... is an ASW corvette in wartime.

If PN wanted more OPV's, it could have just ordered 2 more 1900t OPV's.

Basically, PN is getting 2 (with option of 2 more) cheap ASW/AShW assets... which though not as good as Ada can data-link with Orions, ATR-72 and possibly the Ada itself.

I understand that those are cheap vessels.. but PN could make those quite capable with little added cost - say adding US/Swedish torpedo, Phalanx, Harpoon and even some sensors from two retired Type 21's.

 

[Zarvan]

This is an SOC-R (pronounced SOK R) Special Operations Craft - Riverine (It's just a boat)

Than random guy is CEO of the company and the ship you are posting about is already in use he mentioned their 75 Meter Corvette

I think you aren't getting my point.

Damen is marketing its ship as an OPV.

Swift 75m corvette can do the same duties in peacetime but as the MN article states... is an ASW corvette in wartime.

If PN wanted more OPV's, it could have just ordered 2 more 1900t OPV's.

Basically, PN is getting 2 (with option of 2 more) cheap ASW/AShW assets... which though not as good as Ada can data-link with Orions, ATR-72 and possibly the Ada itself.

I understand that those are cheap vessels.. but PN could make those quite capable with little added cost - say adding US/Swedish torpedo, Phalanx, Harpoon and even some sensors from two retired Type 21's.

The thing they are calling OPV can carry 4 Anti Ship Missiles along with AAW capability and even option of putting Anti Submarine Capability is there