Featured Pakistan Navy ATR72 at Mönchengladbach Germany for conversion into a Sea Eagle

[nomi007]

Naval ATR-72s are good,
But I think if PN chosed Saab-2000 based system.
that will be far better than

 

[Incog_nito]

Naval ATR-72s are good,
But I think if PN chosed Saab-2000 based system.
that will be far better than

I think a mix of ATR-72s which they already bought with Saab-2000 MPAs will be a good option for PN

 

[ziaulislam]

IMO if there had been another option, the PN wouldn't have gone the route of funding an original solution.

best option would be to find a joint venture patner..i see potential with turkey

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

best option would be to find a joint venture patner..i see potential with turkey

If reports about the PN selecting the Embraer Lineage 1000E (aka E190-E) are correct, then I think it's safe to assume that the LRMPA will be an Embraer project. Embraer is far better equipped to manage the task (since its their aircraft and they have the base to carry out the work). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Embraer/Brazil foot the bill of the development work so that they can market the same plane to other countries, such as Turkey, Germany, France, etc.

 

[khanasifm]

If reports about the PN selecting the Embraer Lineage 1000E (aka E190-E) are correct, then I think it's safe to assume that the LRMPA will be an Embraer project. Embraer is far better equipped to manage the task (since its their aircraft and they have the base to carry out the work). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Embraer/Brazil foot the bill of the development work so that they can market the same plane to other countries, such as Turkey, Germany, France, etc.

What’s is the sources confirming of this selection ??
It willl Follow same trend buy used for training crew couple of years and then float tender to convert and may take couple of decades to completely replace I guess time will tell

 

[PAR 5]

If reports about the PN selecting the Embraer Lineage 1000E (aka E190-E) are correct, then I think it's safe to assume that the LRMPA will be an Embraer project. Embraer is far better equipped to manage the task (since its their aircraft and they have the base to carry out the work). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Embraer/Brazil foot the bill of the development work so that they can market the same plane to other countries, such as Turkey, Germany, France, etc.

Just to clarify.

1. This not an Embraer Project
2. Conversion to be done by third party

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Naval ATR-72s are good,
But I think if PN chosed Saab-2000 based system.
that will be far better than

ATR 72 has a higher payload and similar range as that of SAAB-2000.

If reports about the PN selecting the Embraer Lineage 1000E (aka E190-E) are correct, then I think it's safe to assume that the LRMPA will be an Embraer project. Embraer is far better equipped to manage the task (since its their aircraft and they have the base to carry out the work). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Embraer/Brazil foot the bill of the development work so that they can market the same plane to other countries, such as Turkey, Germany, France, etc.

Sir,
Commercial aircraft are sold as fuselage only and interior is done by the company chosen. Even Engines are sold separately.

Embraer would sell the fuselage GE would provide engines this aircraft would go through a few hours of flight testing and then get certified for a flight to who ever is chosen for its interior. Once interior is fitted the aircraft would again go through various tests and re-certified and then permitted to be delivered to the customer.

 

[Incog_nito]

If reports about the PN selecting the Embraer Lineage 1000E (aka E190-E) are correct, then I think it's safe to assume that the LRMPA will be an Embraer project. Embraer is far better equipped to manage the task (since its their aircraft and they have the base to carry out the work). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Embraer/Brazil foot the bill of the development work so that they can market the same plane to other countries, such as Turkey, Germany, France, etc.

You have to provide the source of this information.

Moreover, ATR-72 MPAs & Saab-2000 MPAs are very reasonable for PN at the current moment and can be bought under the funds available to PN.

• 6 ATR-72 MPAs
• 6 Saab-2000 MPAs

They can take care of the Maritime operations for PN along with Anti-Submarine operations.

7 P-3C Orions should go through some upgrade in order to fulfill MSA roles.

For Coast Guards, I think they should be armed with Upgraded Sea Kings (bought from former or current operators) and about 8 of them would be enough to cover our 1074 km coast line.

 

[Tipu7]

Moreover, ATR-72 MPAs & Saab-2000 MPAs are very reasonable for PN at the current moment and can be bought under the funds available to PN.

From where this Saab 2000 "MPA" stepped in?

7 P-3C Orions should go through some upgrade in order to fulfill MSA roles.

No, they should not. And they will not. Navy is going forward with LRMPA which will replace the Orions.

Naval ATR-72s are good,
But I think if PN chosed Saab-2000 based system.
that will be far better than

No, RAS-72 are excellent systems as far as the role assigned to them is concerned. You people should leave this habit of throwing random one liner suggestions which are not backed by valid argumentation.

 

[nomi007]

From where this Saab 2000 "MPA" stepped in?


No, they should not. And they will not. Navy is going forward with LRMPA which will replace the Orions.

No, RAS-72 are excellent systems as far as the role assigned to them is concerned. You people should leave this habit of throwing random one liner suggestions which are not backed by valid argumentation.

i am not against the german system
i am in favor of saab 2000.

 

[Kabotar]

For the concerned here let me simply say for PN LRMPA, no SWORDFISH, no AIRBUS, no BOIENG, no P8A, no Chinese or Japanese etc.

The aircraft PN has selected is EMBRAER Lineage 1000 series.

That should be enough for now

Sunday, 27 September, 2020, 11 : 00 AM [IST] India keen on buying commercial aircraft division of Embraer

The Indian government is keen to buy Embraer’s commercial aircraft division, said a top ranking government official, reports Subhomoy Bhattacharjee in Business Standard. “We are very interested. We are exploring alternatives,” the official said, confirming a development reported earlier by Reuters on Brazil’s plans to reach out to India and China as possible new partners. One of the arrangements the government is considering is a tie-up with a sovereign fund to finance the deal. This is the first time the Indian government has expressed clear willingness to enter the deal. The official said India’s interest has been conveyed to the Brazilian government. While Embraer is a listed company with diversified shareholding, the Brazilian government holds veto rights over the company through a golden share. The company, which ranks after Airbus and Boeing in the commercial aircraft market globally, has lost value rapidly, especially in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reported a loss of USD 315 million for the April-June quarter. “The Brazilian government would be naturally supportive of any contribution of Embraer to India’s growth story and the strengthening of bilateral relations,” said a Brazil embassy spokesperson, without divulging details. For India, getting the plant will sit well with the government’s ambition to develop the economy’s credentials as a manufacturing entity. It has been keen to get marquee names into the domestic manufacturing circuit. “There are risks in considering the deal. But where else will we get a similar company?” asked the official quoted earlier. The subject has been debated within the top decision-making levels in the government and a decision is expected soon. That Brazil has also floated the Embraer bid to China has added a further note of urgency to the discussions. The key aspect to a possible deal is, therefore, setting up operations in India by the Brazilian company. This is not clear as yet, but it is of vital importance for the government to secure, the official said. While Embraer did not respond to queries from Business Standard, the embassy spokesperson said the two countries have been happy to renew their strategic partnership. “India is set to be the largest market for aviation in the coming years — despite the impact of the pandemic. From what we hear, Indian clients always stress on high quality and advantages of Embraer’s aircraft.” The government has meanwhile begun to explore the financial costs of the deal and has held preliminary talks with entities within India and abroad to finance the buyout. One of the options is to jointly finance the deal through a sovereign wealth fund. The valuation of the company that has straddled the mid-sized aircraft market has dipped from even the USD 4.2-billion at which Boeing was slated to pick 80 per cent stake in it when the talks were called off in April this year. It also included a 49 per cent stake in the C-390 Millennium military transport jet programme of Embraer. The government does not have a template to undertake a deal of such scale. All acquisitions abroad of oil and gas assets have been made by government- owned companies. These firms have had access to the government purse, largely as guarantees to raise loans abroad to buy the assets. Of the two civil aviation entities, Air India is sick and in no position to raise any money from within the country or abroad; the other aircraft manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has too feeble a balance sheet (INR 1,989 crore revenue in 2018- 19) to make a bid. The Reuters report had quoted R K Tyagi, ex-chairman of HAL, that he has written to the government, urging it to move fast. It is consequently a new territory for the Indian government to traverse. (Source: Business Standard)

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[mingle]

If reports about the PN selecting the Embraer Lineage 1000E (aka E190-E) are correct, then I think it's safe to assume that the LRMPA will be an Embraer project. Embraer is far better equipped to manage the task (since its their aircraft and they have the base to carry out the work). So, it wouldn't surprise me if Embraer/Brazil foot the bill of the development work so that they can market the same plane to other countries, such as Turkey, Germany, France, etc.

They do Naval systems??

 

[Falcon26]

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Sunday, 27 September, 2020, 11 : 00 AM [IST] India keen on buying commercial aircraft division of Embraer

The Indian government is keen to buy Embraer’s commercial aircraft division, said a top ranking government official, reports Subhomoy Bhattacharjee in Business Standard. “We are very interested. We are exploring alternatives,” the official said, confirming a development reported earlier by Reuters on Brazil’s plans to reach out to India and China as possible new partners. One of the arrangements the government is considering is a tie-up with a sovereign fund to finance the deal. This is the first time the Indian government has expressed clear willingness to enter the deal. The official said India’s interest has been conveyed to the Brazilian government. While Embraer is a listed company with diversified shareholding, the Brazilian government holds veto rights over the company through a golden share. The company, which ranks after Airbus and Boeing in the commercial aircraft market globally, has lost value rapidly, especially in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reported a loss of USD 315 million for the April-June quarter. “The Brazilian government would be naturally supportive of any contribution of Embraer to India’s growth story and the strengthening of bilateral relations,” said a Brazil embassy spokesperson, without divulging details. For India, getting the plant will sit well with the government’s ambition to develop the economy’s credentials as a manufacturing entity. It has been keen to get marquee names into the domestic manufacturing circuit. “There are risks in considering the deal. But where else will we get a similar company?” asked the official quoted earlier. The subject has been debated within the top decision-making levels in the government and a decision is expected soon. That Brazil has also floated the Embraer bid to China has added a further note of urgency to the discussions. The key aspect to a possible deal is, therefore, setting up operations in India by the Brazilian company. This is not clear as yet, but it is of vital importance for the government to secure, the official said. While Embraer did not respond to queries from Business Standard, the embassy spokesperson said the two countries have been happy to renew their strategic partnership. “India is set to be the largest market for aviation in the coming years — despite the impact of the pandemic. From what we hear, Indian clients always stress on high quality and advantages of Embraer’s aircraft.” The government has meanwhile begun to explore the financial costs of the deal and has held preliminary talks with entities within India and abroad to finance the buyout. One of the options is to jointly finance the deal through a sovereign wealth fund. The valuation of the company that has straddled the mid-sized aircraft market has dipped from even the USD 4.2-billion at which Boeing was slated to pick 80 per cent stake in it when the talks were called off in April this year. It also included a 49 per cent stake in the C-390 Millennium military transport jet programme of Embraer. The government does not have a template to undertake a deal of such scale. All acquisitions abroad of oil and gas assets have been made by government- owned companies. These firms have had access to the government purse, largely as guarantees to raise loans abroad to buy the assets. Of the two civil aviation entities, Air India is sick and in no position to raise any money from within the country or abroad; the other aircraft manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has too feeble a balance sheet (INR 1,989 crore revenue in 2018- 19) to make a bid. The Reuters report had quoted R K Tyagi, ex-chairman of HAL, that he has written to the government, urging it to move fast. It is consequently a new territory for the Indian government to traverse. (Source: Business Standard)

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If Pakistan was smart, it would have paired with Turkey and made an offer couple months ago. We are talking about 2-3 billion USD, at most. Pakistan wastes twice this amount annually on defunct state owned enterprises that add exactly zero value to Pakistan’s economy. Once again, Pakistan watches another door shut.

 

[PAR 5]

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Sunday, 27 September, 2020, 11 : 00 AM [IST] India keen on buying commercial aircraft division of Embraer

The Indian government is keen to buy Embraer’s commercial aircraft division, said a top ranking government official, reports Subhomoy Bhattacharjee in Business Standard. “We are very interested. We are exploring alternatives,” the official said, confirming a development reported earlier by Reuters on Brazil’s plans to reach out to India and China as possible new partners. One of the arrangements the government is considering is a tie-up with a sovereign fund to finance the deal. This is the first time the Indian government has expressed clear willingness to enter the deal. The official said India’s interest has been conveyed to the Brazilian government. While Embraer is a listed company with diversified shareholding, the Brazilian government holds veto rights over the company through a golden share. The company, which ranks after Airbus and Boeing in the commercial aircraft market globally, has lost value rapidly, especially in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic, and has reported a loss of USD 315 million for the April-June quarter. “The Brazilian government would be naturally supportive of any contribution of Embraer to India’s growth story and the strengthening of bilateral relations,” said a Brazil embassy spokesperson, without divulging details. For India, getting the plant will sit well with the government’s ambition to develop the economy’s credentials as a manufacturing entity. It has been keen to get marquee names into the domestic manufacturing circuit. “There are risks in considering the deal. But where else will we get a similar company?” asked the official quoted earlier. The subject has been debated within the top decision-making levels in the government and a decision is expected soon. That Brazil has also floated the Embraer bid to China has added a further note of urgency to the discussions. The key aspect to a possible deal is, therefore, setting up operations in India by the Brazilian company. This is not clear as yet, but it is of vital importance for the government to secure, the official said. While Embraer did not respond to queries from Business Standard, the embassy spokesperson said the two countries have been happy to renew their strategic partnership. “India is set to be the largest market for aviation in the coming years — despite the impact of the pandemic. From what we hear, Indian clients always stress on high quality and advantages of Embraer’s aircraft.” The government has meanwhile begun to explore the financial costs of the deal and has held preliminary talks with entities within India and abroad to finance the buyout. One of the options is to jointly finance the deal through a sovereign wealth fund. The valuation of the company that has straddled the mid-sized aircraft market has dipped from even the USD 4.2-billion at which Boeing was slated to pick 80 per cent stake in it when the talks were called off in April this year. It also included a 49 per cent stake in the C-390 Millennium military transport jet programme of Embraer. The government does not have a template to undertake a deal of such scale. All acquisitions abroad of oil and gas assets have been made by government- owned companies. These firms have had access to the government purse, largely as guarantees to raise loans abroad to buy the assets. Of the two civil aviation entities, Air India is sick and in no position to raise any money from within the country or abroad; the other aircraft manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has too feeble a balance sheet (INR 1,989 crore revenue in 2018- 19) to make a bid. The Reuters report had quoted R K Tyagi, ex-chairman of HAL, that he has written to the government, urging it to move fast. It is consequently a new territory for the Indian government to traverse. (Source: Business Standard)

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Indians buying Embrarer Commercial Aircraft Division (if it matures) has no bearing on PN program simply because PN is not buying the Embrarer 1000 Lineage from Embraer itself. Commercial Aircrafts have ample ground support available worldwide without dependency on the manufacturer. Indian Tata Group bought Land Rover, Pakistan Army is still using Land Rover as is mainstay jeep in Infantry and for other purposes.

Besides, Embraer will retain control over the Division and will only sell shares to the Indians if at all this deal ever goes through.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

If Pakistan was smart, it would have paired with Turkey and made an offer couple months ago. We are talking about 2-3 billion USD, at most. Pakistan wastes twice this amount annually on defunct state owned enterprises that add exactly zero value to Pakistan’s economy. Once again, Pakistan watches another door shut.

Turkey and Pakistan can pair up with Qatar too. In any case, this is a collective failure.