Pakistan Inadvertantly Admits That Its First Strike Capability Is Neutered:--

[Dr Gupta]

In a game of poker who would blink first? Can't see Pakistan launching a nuke because it will end in total nuclear onslaught of Pakistan.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In a game of poker who would blink first? Can't see Pakistan launching a nuke because it will end in total nuclear onslaught of Pakistan.

Likewise it would end in the entire annihilation of india. The indian military high command know this fact really well which is why india didn't attack Pakistan after parliament attacks in 2001 and mumbai 26/11/2008 even though india has all the advantages in conventional weapons capability.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

While many folks preach conventions and accords , the reality of war is when it starts the rule book goes into Dumpster

• WW1 (2/3 world population effected all civilians)
  
• WW2 (Heroshima / Nagasaki), Civilian Cities attacks (Both sides)
  
• Pakistan - Indian war (1, 2, 3)
  
• Vietnam (We all know the cluster bomb usage on forest)
  
• North - South Korean conflict
  
• Gulf war 1
  
• Gulf war 2 (10 Year of economic sanction on civilians is never talked about now)
  
• Bosnia Crisis (Weapons were not allowed to be supplied to 1 group )
• Operation WOT (Afghanistan - Iraq - Iran - Saudia - Syria - Libya - Sudan, active till now)
  
• WOT Phase 1 : (Afghanistan - Iraq)
  
• WOT Phase 2 : (Special Ops Civil war Program, Libya , Syria)
• WOT Phase 3: (Iran - Saudia - Sudan - still active)
  
• Many on going conflicts in Africa since 70s - to present day

All conflicts have ample civilian casualties and economic impact is heavy on the nations war is imposed upon , fancy words are created to justify self morality

Upna Sehri to Geneva Geneva
Tera Shehri to mera dushman

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Janab

I am your Biggest foe...

Your few points are misleading :-
a) in a War if a Nation engages in Hitting Civilian Targets - It is a CRIME as per Geneva Convention

b) You are welcome to Mumbai to attach Defence and Port Installations but Dare you touch BSE, NSE as it will be considered as WAR crime ---SEE IMAGE OF YOUR NATION IMPACTED

No FLY Zone
c) To Hit Mumbai First you need to pass Through 800 KM "Radius" no fly Zone imposed by
(1) CV - Vikramaditya 600 km no fly Zone by Mig 29k 2 SQNs + 1 SQN of SU 30 + 1 SQN of Jag add to this 200 KM no Fly Zone imposed by Destroyer --- Mumbai is Home Base of 3 Destroyer SQNs.

(2) You can Shoot GAURI, GAZANVI etc But dare you HIT Civilian Targets and get Booked for War Crimes -- They can hit Ports -- But WHAT about S300, 400 Barak8/1 are they sitting Ducks !!

POSSIBLE CHANCE
Only Probable chance you have is China giving you a SSBN which fires SLBM --- In that Case S300/400/Barak8 -- 3Level of Defences will be there!! This will be Breach of MTCR

Note - Many Boys are not Aware ---There is Technology to track Cruse missiles (early 2000) --- No wonder 2nd Gulf War So no more SCUDs hitting ISREL
1) You use GPS System Americans will pick up immediately COORDINATES you HAFT is Vectored at. Same Applies for GlossNass - you have no Access..
2) BEIDOU - Only chance of NO TRACKING possible if you have access to BEIDOU anf your Navigation Computer in your Cruise missile digital gyroscope is capable to use the "Data-Phase"


What ever you have written on using Nukes in your OWN Land is "Very True" Not Sure from where your are Privy to Such Correct information....This is simply shocking !!

Janab do you live on this plant name Earth , Just say the war happens and both country uses 20 Bombs each (total 40) successfully don't matter civilian or military , You know what will come next THE GREAT DEATH TO WHOLE SUBCONTINENT A SLOW AND PAINFUL ONE.

So on Whom you going to use Geneva Convention , and all those S300 S400 or what ever will go in waist ,

Sir there is no war because of these BOMBS , and If war starts It will be also the last WAR because of These BOMBS

 

[lameDude]

Hi,

I do not think that any pakistani had noticed that in the recent statements by pakistani officials---the state of pakistan has advertantly admitted that it has lost its first strike capability over indian soil.

The suggestion that we are going to use the nucs on our soil to destroy the incoming enemy force was a tantamount to admission of a failed nuc strike capability across the border.

What that means is that pakistan is now admitting that india has ABM's that will take out its nucs during flight---and the next frightening thing for pakistan is that the long range nuc tipped missiles would be taken out on the pakistani side by indian ABM capabilities.

As the hostilities will grow---the U S navy would also be deploying its Aegis class frigates in the arabian sea closer to the pakistan indian borders----. The sole purpose would be to intercept the pakistani nuc tipped missiles that could fly into india.

They could also intercept any indian nuc tipped missiles flying into pakistan----but due to the geography and geometry----all the pakistan launched missiles could be intercepted---because they would be coming in---but the indian missiles would not be---even though the american missiles try as much---because they would be going away from the launch vehicle---.

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Just for reference sake---if you look at the map of pakistan and india----an aegis class cruiser off the coast of gujrat can intercept many a missiles coming into india.

The indian ABM's will cover the rest halfway above rajasthan. This is what I have been trying to explain in my last few posts---I did not want to get directly into the tactical issue---but the thing is that the U S is not going to allow pakistan to use its nucs successfully.

The U S is going to be a player in the game---whether pakistan likes it or don't. That is why I have been writing over here---there is no way out for pakistan other than gaining conventional strength.

If the generals are saying that cannot happen---then those generals need to be FIRED and those who can---need to be put incharge.

And again for that reason---I bring back the Yemen issue---. A 15--20 billion dollars cash upfront for the first year would have taken care of most of the strike capabilities of pakistan and 5 billion a year after that would have taken care of the major issues.

It would also had given air force bases to pakistan on the arab land to strike deep into the indian flank---and alongwith another extra 150 k troops to gain strength from at time of crisis---.

And again to thos who have not read my yemen strike force numbers here they are----.

Pakistan would release 50 K troops on the go---and in return it would ask saudi arabia to deploy one sqdrn of F15SA's at jacobabad---it would also ask emirate to deploy a sqdrn of BLK60 a J'abad and 2 sqdrn's of Mirage 2K9's at karachi----these would neuter any indian strike threat.

Pakistan would build a military cantonment at gwadar---a full blooded campaign would be started for new recruits---all newly retd general staff and officers be recalled to active duty.

With the funds----pakistan would purchase at least 100 J10C's or100 SU35's----around a 100 JH7B's or a 100 SU34's----.

For the navy---at least 2 to 4 latest models of 052's and the 054's---between 5000 to 8000 + tonnage range----10 + upgraded F22 frigate

For the army a build up to at least 10 divs of armor and artillery and 5 battalions of LR sams etc----and 5 divs of infantry.

Pakistan's salvation is in a conventional force---a strike force that can take out the cities around mumbai and beneath----.

Mumbai is the jewle in the crown---a destruction of mumbai would stop india from starting a war---.

We already know that karachi and lahore and multan would be destroyed---so we need to destroy what the enemy loves the most---where it would hurt the most.

Basically the time for a nuclear is over for pakistan. Nuclear wars look good to poor nations---nations who are in the recovery mode and see a light at the end of he tunnel---must refrain and find other means to counter---.

Salam.
There's a very thin chance both the nations will go to a full blown war and use all the aforementioned assets. Why donate any time to it? It's just like US and Russia, both are showing off their strengths since decades but nothing ever happens because it's bad for business. Both the countries should rather solve their differences diplomatically and prudently. Nothing good ever comes of it. Referring to war is always easy rather than living one, look at any war torn country; it's always commoners that suffer. This is the best solution out there. Fire can not be ousted by fire.
Although i agree this will be a challenging and time consuming process with myriads of obstacles in the way but significantly more fruitful and wise. And this can only be solved by the Quran

Would you rather waste thousands of lives for a war that's killing thousands of civilians and putting hundreds of thousands of others at the risk of starvation and going back to the stone for a few war toys, preparing for war that's probibilities are very few to occur. This will also immensly affect your relations with a neigbouring country, supposing if it in fact does happen (remember how the US also promised to solve the kashmir issue in favor of Pak's support on WOT.

@MastanKhan

 

[Kaniska]

Can any one please enlight me what can be the reason India attack Pakistan and vice versa?

 

[leftfordead]

Can any one please enlight me what can be the reason India attack Pakistan and vice versa?

Dil behlane ko Ghalib , yeh jung bhi achi hai

 

[Dr Gupta]

Likewise it would end in the entire annihilation of india. The indian military high command know this fact really well which is why india didn't attack Pakistan after parliament attacks in 2001 and mumbai 26/11/2008 even though india has all the advantages in conventional weapons capability.

Wrong we never chose to attack after 26/11 because it did not suit us at that time and we are not going to attack Pakistan in a direct way as we know who are enemies are. When the time comes it will be of our choosing not the terrorist time

War is expensive we learn this from mobilisation after the parliament attack which was a utter waste of money but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Using pressure points and hiring people to do dirty deeds etc are tools used in a proxy war.. why waste so much money on war? when you can blow up pipelines, infrastructure or put some RDX in a car?

Right now our defence budget is like $40bn plus and we fastest growing major economy in the world, why would we want to rock the boat? and destroy that? just continue to grow and expand our defence budget for another 8-10 years and when we reach the mountain top we can do what is necessary

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Wrong we never chose to attack after 26/11 because it did not suit us at that time and we are not going to attack Pakistan in a direct way as we know who are enemies are. When the time comes it will be of our choosing not the terrorist time

War is expensive we learn this from mobilisation after the parliament attack which was a utter waste of money but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Using pressure points and hiring people to do dirty deeds etc are tools used in a proxy war.. why waste so much money on war? when you can blow up pipelines, infrastructure or put some RDX in a car?

Right now our defence budget is like $40bn plus and we fastest growing major economy in the world, why would we want to rock the boat? and destroy that? just continue to grow and expand our defence budget for another 8-10 years and when we reach the mountain top we can do what is necessary

Been hearing the same tune since 14th August 1947. We are waiting to return the compliments. Please send the good news anytime you guys want.

 

[Dr Gupta]

Been hearing the same tune since 14th August 1947. We are waiting to return the compliments. Please send the good news anytime you guys want.

You must have been sleeping all this time? or do not see what is going around you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ror-suspects/2012/07/06/gJQAlOXtRW_story.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-sanctions-idUSKCN0WX2JM

 

[nangyale]

Wrong we never chose to attack after 26/11 because it did not suit us at that time and we are not going to attack Pakistan in a direct way as we know who are enemies are. When the time comes it will be of our choosing not the terrorist time

War is expensive we learn this from mobilisation after the parliament attack which was a utter waste of money but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Using pressure points and hiring people to do dirty deeds etc are tools used in a proxy war.. why waste so much money on war? when you can blow up pipelines, infrastructure or put some RDX in a car?

Right now our defence budget is like $40bn plus and we fastest growing major economy in the world, why would we want to rock the boat? and destroy that? just continue to grow and expand our defence budget for another 8-10 years and when we reach the mountain top we can do what is necessary

Didn't know that Kenya was attacked on 26/11.
Who is "we" here.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You must have been sleeping all this time? or do not see what is going around you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ror-suspects/2012/07/06/gJQAlOXtRW_story.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-sanctions-idUSKCN0WX2JM

The above is nothing to do with damaging Pakistan but about apprehending terrorists which is actually a good thing.

 

[Dr Gupta]

The above is nothing to do with damaging Pakistan but about apprehending terrorists which is actually a good thing.

That's exactly my point, we know who our enemies are which is not Pakistan or Pakistanis directly so why would we go to war with them?

Didn't know that Kenya was attacked on 26/11.
Who is "we" here.

Oh we have had terror attacks here in Nairobi also and you must be aware of the big Asian population we have here in Africa?

 

[nangyale]

Oh we have had terror attacks here in Nairobi also and you must be aware of the big Asian population we have here in Africa?

Well I just hope that you are not blaming the Nairobi attacks on Pakistan as well.
But with an Indian one never knows....

 

[Dr Gupta]

Well I just hope that you are not blaming the Nairobi attacks on Pakistan as well.
But with an Indian one never knows....

Do I look like a teen kid with spots? my friend I seen much in this world and understand what is going on but alas many here seem to love fighting rather than having rational intelligent dialogue where we can learn from one another.