Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

[Indus Pakistan]

Going for more "advanced" sanction prone F-16s doesn't make any sense. I would rather opt for more JF-17s as opposed to F-16s at this stage. The current F-16 inventory is sufficient and ideally needs to be supplemented with superior platforms. If money is an issue we ought to stick with JF-17. Pakistan is probably hoping for F-16s on soft loan terms which seems unlikely.

One thing recent wars have shown is in the air superior technology wins. Anything less then the best is just junk waiting to be shot down and contribute to enemy kills.

When shat hits the fan our air chief knows more than you and I. He knows he would rather have his men going out to face the best the Indian's have in F-16s. The Thunder is good for ground attack and support.

The tip of spear is F-16. The chief who has spent his life flying fighters knows this ....

 

[Blue Marlin]

Please sir before you buy get some advise from @Zarvan as to the whether it is good move to buy from kuffar enemy.

advice from zarvan!!? really? why ?

You make lemonade


i think it was Horus who cleared it that there will only be 8 a/c's and Blk52+ NOT "v"

if the acm is saying the newer f16's will be more advanced than the current ones then its extreamly likely they will be eithere block 60's or vipers.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

advice from zarvan!!? really? why ?

When you want Mullah logic you go to a Mullah. That is why !!!

 

[Blue Marlin]

Thats it? Are you sure?

the j11 series dont count. russia and china signed an agreement where china agreed not to sell the j11 series so that it wont undercut the su27 family

 

[Dalit]

One thing recent wars have shown is in the air superior technology wins. Anything less then the best is just junk waiting to be shot down and contribute to enemy kills.

When shat hits the fan our air chief knows more than you and I. He knows he would rather have his men going out to face the best the Indian's have in F-16s. The Thunder is good for ground attack and support.

The tip of spear is F-16. The chief who has spent his life flying fighters knows this ....

The ACM also knows how sanction prone the F-16s are. That is a huge problem. The Americans are in bed with the Indians and don't hide it under a rug so to speak. They are not going to allow their fighters to be used against India. In fact, the Americans have discussed this in quite length in their senate sessions time and time again.

As an air superiority fighter, I would opt for J-31s and perhaps a couple of squadrons of Su-35s. No doubt about it.

 

[Paksanity]

pakistan cant afford the eft if india thinks its expensive over the rafale.

*sigh*

Sir question of money doesn't begin to arise if machine doesn't meet the requirement.

 

[Blue Marlin]

When you want Mullah logic you go to a Mullah. That is why !!!

mullahs and israel are near enough the same thing

*sigh*

Sir question of money doesn't begin to arise if machine doesn't meet the requirement.

ok you fork out £100+ million each for a single typhoon.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The ACM also knows how sanction prone the F-16s are. That is a huge problem. The Americans are in bed with the Indians. They are not going to allow their fighters to be used against India. In fact, the Americans have discussed this in quite length in their senate sessions time and time again.

Yes indeed. Any purchase of any fighter ( or any defence product ) involves weighing of complex pros and cons. Only USA, Russia and few other countries which produce everything in house are free from this burden.

I trust the ACM will be aware of the sanction issue as well as F-16s potency versus his most likely enemy - Indian Sukhoi's. Therefore I conclude that ACM having chosen to go for F-16 tells me a lot. Unless of course he is incompetent or corrupt.

You see what Pakistan needs to do is behave within it strategic benefits. As far as enemy goes we have more than enough in 1.275 billion India. We need to do our best to chill the rest and that includes the only superpower today - USA.

 

[Dalit]

Yes indeed. Any purchase of any fighter ( or any defence product ) involves weighing of complex pros and cons. Only USA, Russia and few other countries which produce everything in house are free from this burden.

I trust the ACM will be aware of the sanction issue as well as F-16s potency versus his most likely enemy - Indian Sukhoi's. Therefore I conclude that ACM having chosen to go for F-16 tells me a lot. Unless of course he is incompetent or corrupt.

You see what Pakistan needs to do is behave within it strategic benefits. As far as enemy goes we have more than enough in 1.275 billion India. We need to do our best to chill the rest and that includes the only superpower today - USA.

Time has come to diversify a little and look beyond the Americans though. That is my take. The F-16s have served us well over the years, but we need to diversify like the Indian Air Force is doing.

 

[Signalian]

How can we make the decision on an aircraft which yet in the initial development phase? You spend billions on it and it turns out to be lemon; now what?!

Did JF17 turn out to be a lemon?NO.
PAF took part in its phases of development and ensured it comes out useful. J31 is for export and PAF should customize it to its own needs.
By the way PAF also already shown interest in It whether it's lemon or tangerine.

Secondly, PAF flies 4th gen aircraft already. What it needs now is 5th gen to counter anything that IAF throws at it, be it Rafale or SU30. IAF is getting a 4.5 gen in MMRCA, PAF should take the lead by acquiring 5th gen.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Yes indeed. Any purchase of any fighter ( or any defence product ) involves weighing of complex pros and cons. Only USA, Russia and few other countries which produce everything in house are free from this burden.

I trust the ACM will be aware of the sanction issue as well as F-16s potency versus his most likely enemy - Indian Sukhoi's. Therefore I conclude that ACM having chosen to go for F-16 tells me a lot. Unless of course he is incompetent or corrupt.

You see what Pakistan needs to do is behave within it strategic benefits. As far as enemy goes we have more than enough in 1.275 billion India. We need to do our best to chill the rest and that includes the only superpower today - USA.

theres nothing left for you guys other than the f16. the rest are going to be new platforms and useless as they will be 4th gen and paf is looking for 5th gen fighters

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Time has come to diversify a little and look beyond the Americans though. That is my take. The F-16s have served us well over the years, but we need to diversify like the Indian Air Force is doing.

Well you might have point. Fact we are all shooting in the dark. ACM and his boys are best positioned to decide. They have invested their entire lives in this profession so we got to have faith in them. It is they who if push comes to shove will die fighting in those machines.

But my two pennies is that PAF should go ahead with F-16s. The next fighter upgrade has to be stealth like F-35. However I don't think Pak will get them. Instead F-16s will do for now until Chinese down the road develop F-35 type fighters which they will as the evolve.

 

[Super Falcon]

S

Its not a blunder buddy ..
F-16 is still a potent fighter , and able to match any plane in our Enemy's inventory ..
18-36 block 52 F-16s by 2020 , will be a good decision while adding the JF-17 in numbers ..
adding 36 F-16 blk 52, will rise the numbers to 110+/- , alone with 250 Jf-17's and you will have enough money to invest in J-31 program .. and transform into a new fighter according to the requirements of PAF ..

sir Pad will never invest in J 31 we saw their attitude with J 10

F 16 IS SANCTION PRONE and expansive at same time better bought J 10

Even USA has decided to stick with F-16 for 20 to 25 years more than previously planned

But old oned they are not buying new but we are

Remember USAF fear SU 35 as in most films they show SU 35 as their opponent

 

[Zarvan]

S

sir Pad will never invest in J 31 we saw their attitude with J 10

F 16 IS SANCTION PRONE and expansive at same time better bought J 10


But old oned they are not buying new but we are

Remember USAF fear SU 35 as in most films they show SU 35 as their opponent

Leave films aside for a reason and we should go for more F-16 but we still need a third 4.5th Generation platform best option is SU-35 if not that than J-11 D or J-16 from China.

 

[MastanKhan]

Time to open a new thread, "What twin engine aircraft suits PAF " excluding the F15, F18 & the SU series.

@MastanKhan and others

Hi,

Why don't you start a new thread---.