Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

[SSGcommandoPAK]

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What the heel

In first place PAF says it started JF 17 programme due to restriction on F 16 sale and spare parta whenn needed


Than why going back to same junk on which US dictates how and when to use

Than most coutries are retiring them and buying new PAF theory i challange you will only hurt us going on same stupid idea which we suffered

J 10 was a better choice if we want to use single engine jet atleast reliable source in time when whole congress on payroll of india in war time they will block spares for F 16

Above all today i assure you all these F 16 will blown away against rafale and SU 30

OUR PAF STRATEGY THINK TANK SUCKS

when SU 35 is on cards why buy a less jet in same price my mind blows


I oppose this sale

Pakistan is buying F-16s to replace the 300 (mirages and F-7s ) , This is a right choice , we first have to replace the old aircraft with JF-17s and F-16s then go for twin engine jet ...

SU 35 is the best bet can destroy out perform even blk 70 of F 16

Arey bhai Let pakistan buy these F-16s , they are not for main role , they are being bought to replace the huge fleet of Mirages and F-7s ..

Their is some confusion here Is he talking about 8 F-16 already announced or he is talking about other than those 8 already announced ? @Windjammer

No we will first buy 8 , then later 20-40 second hand block 50 f-16s ...

TO sum
thunder will be the bird draging the weight of Paf in war time
F16 will be the all star , for Air superiority and special missions

Now Why Paf still going for F16
1 is better than 2 obviously
F16 war proven jet , infrastructure available
Pilots proven and list goes on and on

Now people Saying why isnt Paf brass jumping in twin jets few reasons
Chinese jets which are available well they are not truly yet available to Paf it will take some time till these platforms mature and are really matured in Paf
If you people think uncle sam and russians will be sharing there top of the line platforms sorry to say thats not happening stop day dreaming
In 15 to 20 years battlefield will be changed if not so much but it will be way more advanced
Now Paf can keep spending money on second hand jets or mature a new platform and build its base around that platform to co develop new platforms in few years according to the future needs or spend money on wishlist of pdf and buy many different platforms and make a big blunder keeping 4 5 different platform now in time of war i dont need to say what this can cause

We are buying F-16s to replace our 300 aircraft fleet of Mirages and F-7s , F-16s and JF-17s are not are main planes we will buy SU-35 , J-20 ,J-10s in the future ...

 

[Super Falcon]

Biggest blunder PAF making it shows how un professional they are

Countries like indonesia kiwait oman all of them rejected F 16 and went for twin engine jet hence they have no enemies

 

[Zarvan]

Biggest blunder PAF making it shows how un professional they are

Countries like indonesia kiwait oman all of them rejected F 16 and went for twin engine jet hence they have no enemies

F-16 is one hell of a Jet as for those countries who rejected it loom at size of their Air Forces. Many countries who have enemies go for F-16 like South Korea and Israel and others

 

[Random Jan-e-mann]

Biggest blunder PAF making it shows how un professional they are

Countries like indonesia kiwait oman all of them rejected F 16 and went for twin engine jet hence they have no enemies

F-16 is a real monster specially block 60 with AESA
More on above F-16 is the war proven machine recent test shows its air frame life is 4 time more as declared 20000 hours without overhauling what else you need single engine half fuel half maintenance, we are not oil rich country to afford fancy twin engine jets.
Above all our air force is in love with F-16, pehla payar shaalimaar.

 

[Super Falcon]

We need next generation time to move forward

Alexander THE GREAT took control of entire world 1000 years ago dosent mean he can do it same in todays demanding warefare with swords warfare

Time to move ahead F 16 was great not now we got JF 17 so we fullfill holes of F 16 which we dont got once it is filled i make no sense F 16 is also have big question mark which is senction prone PAF not learning the lesson

PAF full of dump people look our enemy what they are buying and we are sticking on same junk

Hope common sense should prevail which paf dont have

 

[Zarvan]

We need next generation time to move forward

Alexander THE GREAT took control of entire world 1000 years ago dosent mean he can do it same in todays demanding warefare with swords warfare

Time to move ahead F 16 was great not now we got JF 17 so we fullfill holes of F 16 which we dont got once it is filled i make no sense F 16 is also have big question mark which is senction prone PAF not learning the lesson

PAF full of dump people look our enemy what they are buying and we are sticking on same junk

Hope common sense should prevail which paf dont have

Even USA has decided to stick with F-16 for 20 to 25 years more than previously planned

 

[Darth Vader]

We are buying F-16s to replace our 300 aircraft fleet of Mirages and F-7s , F-16s and JF-17s are not are main planes we will buy SU-35 , J-20 ,J-10s in the future ..

Jf is to replace
There is no way you will see su 35 and j10s in Paf colors

 

[Signalian]

Biggest blunder PAF making it shows how un professional they are

Countries like indonesia kiwait oman all of them rejected F 16 and went for twin engine jet hence they have no enemies

next twin engined jet for PAF should be J-31

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

Jf is to replace
There is no way you will see su 35 and j10s in Paf colors

both jets will replace , and why not , we will surely see those jets in PAF inventory

 

[The Eagle]

both jets will replace , and why not , we will surely see those jets in PAF inventory

and how sure you are my friend? any details i mean or its just PS.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

and how sure you are my friend? any details i mean or its just PS.

Pakistan cannot buy F-35 so surely in the future they would go for J-20s and SU-35s or J-10s

 

[The Eagle]

Pakistan cannot buy F-35 so surely in the future they would go for J-20s and SU-35s or J-10s

Mate... what makes you think that Pakistan cannot buy F-35 beside the price tag and leave aside our friendship I mean Pak-China, J-20 is not for export/sell. J-10 is still not matured as much as i know and correct me if i am wrong. Indeed SU-35 is a beauty but it doesn't mean that we may start throwing our money like a rich kid. We played smart despite a few mistakes in past but we still play smart and we will procure what suits us and serves us the best by considering our allocation of budget as well rather going for everything seems beautiful to be purchased. If a single plan could serve well and we are good enough aware of tech with F-16 then why to spend money on different platforms. Just save and spend on bigger picture like going for 5th generation by inducting advance F-16s as much as can to fill gap and on other side JF is growing well with its full potential.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[araz]

Biggest blunder PAF making it shows how un professional they are

Countries like indonesia kiwait oman all of them rejected F 16 and went for twin engine jet hence they have no enemies

For Indonesia it makes sense as they have a large mass and their land is mostly composed of islands. For puny nationsl ike Oman and Kuwait it makes no sense to have twin engined fighters. As I remember Kuwait did not put up much of a fight against Saddam's army instead choosing to run to their Summer houses in UK and US. I honestly do not think Oman will do any better. On record I havew never made sense of any procurement by anty Arab nation other than UAE and Saudi Arabia. Saudi acquisitions are more of a "KEEP EVERY ONE HAPPY" effort than solid thought out acquisition order. However they have learnt and have moved on. They got a bit disgruntled with the US and so went to the UK with whom they have had a reasonably long relationship.UAE has a lot of input from PAF officials and retired airmen and have made solid acquisitions.
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[araz]

Mate... what makes you think that Pakistan cannot buy F-35 beside the price tag and leave aside our friendship I mean Pak-China, J-20 is not for export/sell. J-10 is still not matured as much as i know and correct me if i am wrong. Indeed SU-35 is a beauty but it doesn't mean that we may start throwing our money like a rich kid. We played smart despite a few mistakes in past but we still play smart and we will procure what suits us and serves us the best by considering our allocation of budget as well rather going for everything seems beautiful to be purchased. If a single plan could serve well and we are good enough aware of tech with F-16 then why to spend money on different platforms. Just save and spend on bigger picture like going for 5th generation by inducting advance F-16s as much as can to fill gap and on other side JF is growing well with its full potential.

Pakistan Zindabad

The twin engine acquisition for PAF has been mentioned for a long time by senior and Ex PAF officers on this forum as well as else where.However the Russian acquisition has remained a focus of debate for some time.
There are multiple reasons for it, the main ones being the expense involved, lack of trust between the 2 nations, lack of spares and traditional unrereliability of the Russians for spares, Russia's links with India and the possibility of a change of heart in case of an outbreak of war, poor serviceability of engines to name a few.
I like most posters would be very happy to be proven wrong but do not see SU 35 in PAF colours. It is my view point based on current Pakistani financial position, their continued involvement with the JFT-- both manufacturing and induction and the rapidity of developemtn of the fifth generation platofrms. Ithink PAfs nex acquisistion will be a fifth generation twin engined platofrm in 2023-25 period.
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[The Eagle]

The twin engine acquisition for PAF has been mentioned for a long time by senior and Ex PAF officers on this forum as well as else where.However the Russian acquisition has remained a focus of debate for some time.
There are multiple reasons for it, the main ones being the expense involved, lack of trust between the 2 nations, lack of spares and traditional unrereliability of the Russians for spares, Russia's links with India and the possibility of a change of heart in case of an outbreak of war, poor serviceability of engines to name a few.
I like most posters would be very happy to be proven wrong but do not see SU 35 in PAF colours. It is my view point based on current Pakistani financial position, their continued involvement with the JFT-- both manufacturing and induction and the rapidity of developemtn of the fifth generation platofrms. Ithink PAfs nex acquisistion will be a fifth generation twin engined platofrm in 2023-25 period.
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Sir... i meant the same for SU-35 in short that as per my opinion it would be totally waste of money for the time and reasons are almost the same that you discussed in above post. If it was me then i would have put almost total of money on JF-17 to take it to the highest levels ever possible and in the same time would have started to go for 5th Generation. So we both almost agreed the same equation. Till 2023-2025 its good to progress more JF-17 and induct F-16s as much as possible and then come-up with 5th generation which would serves both purposes, the twin engine & 5th generation.