Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

[VCheng]

There are few jobs which F-16 can not perform for Pakistan while JF-17 can. On the other hand F-16 brings in mature proven technology while JF-17 is still in the process of maturing. Not that hard to comprehend, is it?

So they are not "at par". Yes, that makes sense.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Each time Pakistan approaches Russia for attack helicopters and fighters we get offers from US. The Russian deal to buy 4 Mi-35 was followed by 15 AH-1Z from US. Now rumors of Su-35 talks translate into optional F-16 Block 52 from US.

 

[dadeechi]

Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief
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ISLAMABAD: Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman on Monday said Pakistan is in negotiations with the United States to procure the latest F-16 fighter jets, but did not specify an exact number.

“We are in talks with US defence officials to get some latest F-16s but the deal may take some time,” the Air chief said while talking to reporters after the rolling out ceremony of the 16th JF-17 Thunder aircraft at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra.

The Air chief said by the year 2020, Pakistan Air Force will say “goodbye to some of its old fighter jets including the Mirage.”

He expressed satisfaction over the production and quality level of the JF-17 Thunder and said it is at par with the F-16 in terms of performance and operations.

Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Excellent news.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If the JF-17 is "at par" then why get more F-16s?

at par my dear yes that is true for earlier blocks.and that's the key word.


and he is talking about latest F-16s block 52+ or 60 maybe. and that carries gen 5 stuff. whether or not they are cleared for sale is another matter.

I know you know that already just want us people to say it out loud.

 

[cloud4000]

Each time Pakistan approaches Russia for attack helicopters and fighters we get offers from US. The Russian deal to buy 4 Mi-35 was followed by 15 AH-1Z from US. Now rumors of Su-35 talks translate into optional F-16 Block 52 from US.

I don't see how one has to do with the other given that the equipment you mentioned are for different missions.

 

[VCheng]

at par my dear yes that is true for earlier blocks.and that's the key word.


and he is talking about latest F-16s block 52+ or 60 maybe. and that carries gen 5 stuff. whether or not they are cleared for sale is another matter.

I know you know that already just want us people to say it out loud.

I think I will let this go now.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I don't see how one has to do with the other given that the equipment you mentioned are for different missions.

May be coincidence but seems like US wants Pakistan to spend money buying US weapons.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

F-16 can not carry our home produced and Chinese weapons like ALCM, C-802 and CM -400 AKG. Hence the need for JF-17. JF-17 can not carry as much load (6000kg vs 3700kg) and can not fly as long and as far. Hence the need for F-16.

sir he knows it
he is just compelled by his innocent habit of asking simple questions so that us mortals can say it out loud for our own benefit.
say what?
say that F-16s are by far the most powerful and potent machines that Pakistan ever has in its arsenal and JF-17 is no where close. it might be true for the F-16 block 52 but JF-17 pretty much covers and surpasses the capabilities of earlier blocks.

I think I will let this go now.

of course you will
the deed is done

 

[Viper0011.]

Will US Congress give the green light beyond the eight Obama offered?

The US congress will do whatever it takes to ensure her interests are protected and an ally gets what they need to get, as long as its in line with the US government's policy at that time. And I think there has been very mature dialogue and a long term partnership that has been discussed. The US and Pakistan, with all the drama ongoing, still have a 70 year long relationship. So you always have to keep that in mind.

Pakistan is making serious progress against the terrorists, she's a growing economy and has a lot of influence on many countries. The US and Pakistan will be natural partners against the terrorist cancer of ISIS. So my opinion (not knowing the future) is that Pakistan will need to do some lobbying and NS might need to do another visit to meet with the republican leadership, and the F-16's should will be approved. 20 or even 40 newer F-16's don't pose any threat to anyone. India has over 240 SU-30's on the border with Pakistan so there is no real additional force multiplier that India has to worry about.

Plus where India and Pakistan stand now, things are moving in the right direction for peace and stability. So I don't really see any future issues.

 

[Super Falcon]

SU 35 is the best bet can destroy out perform even blk 70 of F 16

 

[airmarshal]

When the Air Chief said latest F-16s, did he mean F-16V? This latest version was recently tested with AESA radar.

 

[Lightning Soul]

How can something be at par with something that is in a different league at the same time?

You've already been replied very effectively from several other members as well. I don't know that you want to prove yourself right or just don't want to comprehend at all what others our trying to make you understand. Let me also try to further simplify you with an Example:
Let's assume F-16 as MG3 LMGs and JF-17 as G3's in simpler words. Both LMGs and G-3s are used to deal with a common threat environment (shooting down the enemy) but have different tasks and parameters. Now both belonging to different leagues but does it mean that there is no usefulness for G-3s ? No sane commander will utilize only (more powerful) LMG to deal with the enemy so G-3 is there to compliment it to deal with the situation differently in a different role and still be at Par to keep the enemy at bay (Ultimate Goal)

 

[Viper0011.]

SU 35 is the best bet can destroy out perform even blk 70 of F 16

Everything is possible on paper. The Superman initially existed on paper too

 

[VCheng]

You've already been replied very effectively from several other members as well. I don't know that you want to prove yourself right or just don't want to comprehend at all what others our trying to make you understand. Let me also try to further simplify you with an Example:
Let's assume F-16 as MG3 LMGs and JF-17 as G3's in simpler words. Both LMGs and G-3s are used to deal with a common threat environment (shooting down the enemy) but have different tasks and parameters. Now both belonging to different leagues but does it mean that there is no usefulness for G-3s ? No sane commander will utilize only (more powerful) LMG to deal with the enemy so G-3 is there to compliment it to deal with the situation differently in a different role and still be at Par to keep the enemy at bay (Ultimate Goal)

@Irfan Baloch Sir does the above explanation mean they are "at par" or not?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Irfan Baloch Sir does the above explanation mean they are "at par" or not?

I dont know . what do you think?
by the way what about your pledge in post number 51?