Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief

[Blue Marlin]

1-PAF has SD-10A, B version has been in testing since long, and it is obvious that PAF would want to go with the evolved SD-10.
2-Even the AIM120s have been superseeded by the C7 and AIM120D versions.....the problem is, you cannot go to USA to procure the latest missile, because of political reasons. However with the SD-10 missiles, you will always have access to them whenever they become ready.
3-Building on point 2 above, even if PAF manages to procure SABR (not Saber), the BLK60 spec F-16s will cost shyt tonnes of money, which means PAF will only be able to procure a squadron at best, meanwhile your old fleet will be not be standardized. If PAF chooses to upgrade the APG68 on the older F-16s, again, that will cost money and getting approval from congress would be an uphill task, considering that some crazy, fascist person will be the next president of USA.



Yes they are, after all, that's where the people who don the uniform come from........

1/2. yes it is incredibly easy for pakistan to buy weapons from china. also just because theres somthing out there that pakistan has doesnt mean they have to get it. sure it makes sense. but what if they are waiting for somthing even better they have there eyes on like the pl-12d

3. dont you think pakistan can afford good radars if they are buying "more advanced" varients of the f16. aesa radars may be hard to get in terms of getting congressional aproval, but financailly i dont think it would be a problem.
also if your thinking donald trump is going to be the presidant, then boy you need help. the world would be chaos and there would have to be behind the scenes actions to ammend his moves.

 

[VCheng]

Yes they are, after all, that's where the people who don the uniform come from........

......... and sadly how quickly they forget that origin.

the term bloody civilians was used by our pre partition masters i.e British not by Pak army. However fact remains that even a military guy is also mostly ignorant abt F16 same goes for AF people in case of Army gadgets.

Sir, the term has been used extensively after 1947 too.

Performance = target achieved / target given.

Thus, they are both different

Back to the topic, if they are different, they cannot have parity either, as the Chief claimed. Having said that, the JF-17 is a great little plane in its own right, well-suited for PAF, but it is no F-16 either.

 

[mingle]

If the JF-17 is "at par" then why get more F-16s?

F16 r force multiplayers

Lots of F-7s and Mirage III/Vs to replace, makes sense rather than going for J-10B.

two things either J10 B or i think PAF looking more F16s in some good numbers Americans wont let pak to buy Russian twin engines offering some good deals relates to F16 or F18 for maritime .

 

[Signalian]

Seems to be the optional 18 block 52 being procured

 

[lahoria]

If the JF-17 is "at par" then why get more F-16s?

To fill the gap between slow production rate and expected supply to other customer?

 

[VCheng]

To fill the gap between slow production rate and expected supply to other customer?

Could be, but far-fetched considering the delivery time for new F-16s compared to ramping up production of the JF-17 at home.

F16 r force multiplayers

Yes, but then they have no parity either.

 

[mingle]

Could be, but far-fetched considering the delivery time for new F-16s compared to ramping up production of the JF-17 at home.



Yes, but then they have no parity either.

U mixing apples & oranges here both r different league with different roles light weight to mid weight .But pak interest in F 16 is due known platform trained crew easy to induct having infrastructure .otherside American will love to continue production may get more orders from other airforces down the road delay in F35 plus pricing make F16 more attractive choice for many airforces .But i feel it would be a good numbers if it was 8 aircheif wont say anything its known .

To fill the gap between slow production rate and expected supply to other customer?

Both platforms belong to different leagues .

 

[VCheng]

U mixing apples & oranges here both r different league with different roles light weight to mid weight .But pak interest in F 16 is due known platform trained crew easy to induct having infrastructure .otherside American will love to continue production may get more orders from other airforces down the road delay in F35 plus pricing make F16 more attractive choice for many airforces .But i feel it would be a good numbers if it was 8 aircheif wont say anything its known .


Both platforms belong to different leagues .

Different leagues? Then they are not "at par" as the Chief claimed.

 

[mingle]

Seems to be the optional 18 block 52 being procured

Could be could be 30 to 36 with some old airframes .?

Different leagues? Then they are not "at par" as the Chief claimed.

At par yes but tech wise and performane wise any dout ?

 

[Viper0011.]

Pakistan in talks with US to procure latest F-16 jets: Air chief
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ISLAMABAD: Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman on Monday said Pakistan is in negotiations with the United States to procure the latest F-16 fighter jets, but did not specify an exact numbers

Merry Christmas guys!! Allow me to share the "numbers" with you that the air-chief didn't. It'll be 8 first, 12-18 later (testing the waters first with 8 block 60 order) and if all works out, estimated 20-40 used ones (block 50's), which were delivered around 2000 and don't have lots of flight hours on them, compared to the -16's in service since the 80's and 90's.

The PAF wants to maintain a strength of 120-125 F-16's. The second tier would include the JFT block II and III obviously. Later supplemented by J-31 and J-10/11's.

If the JF-17 is "at par" then why get more F-16s?

Capability wise, the JFT provides more bang for the buck, specially in Naval configuration and carrying Pakistan's own standoff munitions, and the future AESA radar. But the -16 has a much better engine, combat performance and flight characteristics. The -16 will remain the tier I fighter and the JFT will take on a tier II role

 

[VCheng]

At par yes but tech wise and performane wise any dout ?

How can something be at par with something that is in a different league at the same time?

 

[cloud4000]

Merry Christmas guys!! Allow me to share the "numbers" with you that the air-chief didn't. It'll be 8 first, 12-18 later (testing the waters first with 8 block 60 order) and if all works out, estimated 20-40 used ones (block 50's), which were delivered around 2000 and don't have lost of flight hours on them, compared to the -16's in service since the 80's and 90's.

Will US Congress give the green light beyond the eight Obama offered?

 

[mingle]

How can something be at par with something that is in a different league at the same time?

Different league due to weight payload nothing more at par tech ,performance maintainence .

Will US Congress give the green light beyond the eight Obama offered?

Yesssss or india order a good number of F16s and cancel french fries deal.

 

[VCheng]

Different league due to weight payload nothing more at par tech ,performance maintainence .

That makes just as much sense as the OP claim: NONE.

Will US Congress give the green light beyond the eight Obama offered?

Very likely yes.

 

[Paksanity]

How can something be at par with something that is in a different league at the same time?

There are few jobs which F-16 can not perform for Pakistan while JF-17 can. On the other hand F-16 brings in mature proven technology while JF-17 is still in the process of maturing. Not that hard to comprehend, is it?