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Pakistan in talks for J-10 & have ordered KJ 2000?

Which Fighter is best for Pakistan to counter Rafale J-10B/C or J-11D ?

  • J-10B/C

    Votes: 17 42.5%
  • J-11D

    Votes: 23 57.5%

  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
"OLD F-22's" :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::cuckoo::cuckoo::crazy::crazy:...... :enjoy: :usflag: (I am sure you can translate the message from these icons)
stab yourself in the eye after reading that post. I just made the mistake of reading the quoted part of your post wondering why you used so many emotes

Hi,

All these thousands of pages talking about the quality difference between the US weapons and chinese is wasted by these two lines of yours-----.
its a real tragedy that this post will be read by people wasting their time
 
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Everyone reaction After Reading EagleEye Comment about F-22

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stab yourself in the eye after reading that post. I just made the mistake of reading the quoted part of your post wondering why you used so many emotes

This was my way of "nicely" dealing with the extreme anger I felt when some smart individual (or a total ed8), tried to call the F-22 "OLD" and compared it to the Chinese plane which is STILL in design and from the designs of it, still doesn't look totally stealthy.

There weren't emotions, it was a paragraph written in the shape of images. The first part was, the post was silly, comical and ridiculous. Second part, the person's brain waves were obviously out of synch, as he couldn't understand the difference between the -22 and the J-20's. Third was, the post had some crazy ideas in it, showing the writers mind set.

And fourth was, the US rules when it comes to advance aviation and jets such as the -22. Now you see how I compressed such a lengthy response in a few images??? They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Well, here, the pictures were worth a few lines of details I didn't have to write :-)
 
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To handle IN & IAF at coastal areas and deep sea only J-11B and higher series is the answer as they got power, endurance, weapons package and avionics to take all threat posed by those.
that is I want to say jf-17 can't be fit to counter IN & IAF in the sea..
 
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Thought they weren't interested in buying it.
No they are not. But try and stop these arm chair generals who play call of duty and fight imaginary wars where money is growing on trees .!! Personally I think J10 brings nothing to the table and the added infrastructure when PAF is trying to establish the infrastructure of JFT is hilarious. But hey what do I know!!
Araz
 
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This was my way of "nicely" dealing with the extreme anger I felt when some smart individual (or a total ed8), tried to call the F-22 "OLD" and compared it to the Chinese plane which is STILL in design and from the designs of it, still doesn't look totally stealthy.

There weren't emotions, it was a paragraph written in the shape of images. The first part was, the post was silly, comical and ridiculous. Second part, the person's brain waves were obviously out of synch, as he couldn't understand the difference between the -22 and the J-20's. Third was, the post had some crazy ideas in it, showing the writers mind set.

And fourth was, the US rules when it comes to advance aviation and jets such as the -22. Now you see how I compressed such a lengthy response in a few images??? They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Well, here, the pictures were worth a few lines of details I didn't have to write :-)

And then you explain it in full 9 lines.

@Irfan Baloch The guy wasted his whole intelligence. :lol:
 
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That is what I am trying to conway to my friend @Zarvan. :P


Chinese President is supposed to make a plan for 100 years ahead. Though they might have some changes to it in-between.



Not really there are many better aircraft available in the market. What PAF requires is an air-superiority fighter ie J-16, Eurofighter or F-15 SE


Can you open this youtube video on PLAYIT.PK and then copy / past the link so that Pakistani members ca watch it please.





Some thing is cooking...Hope it is yummy and enough to digest :P

There are always better aircraft available. That is not what I am disputing. I have a Volkswagen, but I could always buy a better and more luxurious car such as Mercedes, Audi etc. The question is, do you really think that PAF can afford expensive fighters such as F-15 or EF? Secondly, even if they acquired these fighters they will always be prone to sanctions. Thirdly, I don't think the Americans and Europeans would be selling their fighters to Pakistan.

The J-10b is an excellent platform with all the bells and whistles that PAF requires at the moment and in the future. It is better than JF-17 in almost every aspect. Its price tag well within budget and justifiable. Heck, Pak could perhaps get it on favorable terms. It is the most realistic option that PAF has in the nearest short term. Otherwise you'll have to wait for a 5th gen platform which is going to take a while.
 
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Omar bhai, its quoted by chinese new agency only 6 months ago watch youtube link yourself:
Look at the headlines. The emphasis being on test!!! There are significant issues that one has to deal with fielding a 5th generation aircraft. Look at all the teething problems of F35 as an example. Chinese products will not be truely Chinese unless the engine is. Try building an engine for a fifth generation fighter. You guys need to cool down and look at what you want to do. India has just intimated and to my understanding the deal is not signed yet for the Rafales. Once the deal is signed it will take 3yrs to deliver, another 2 yrs to complete the order and a couple of yrs to get the fighter up and running and pilots comfortable on it. If modalities are signed by end of year you are looking at 2022 before the fleet is up and running. You have a fighter that is coming on line and you are establishing your setup for it. Where does 7yrs of development of this fighter take you. Those of you who think JFT is short legged why do you think we have tested the OBG system on it and how much time do you need to get to Indian FOBs. What minor modifications can you do to increase the loitering time and why is PAF not going for them. Think people!! Knee jerk reactions are never a good option.
Araz
 
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According to a page which has often proved to be quite authetic is saying that Pakistan is again in talks with China for J-10B. And another which is also being reported is that Pakistan may also have got KJ-2000. This if true is great but I personally don't believe this.
@Dazzler @Stealth @fatman17

What page
and what is the justification behind KJ2000 when 4 KE03 are already in service. The J10 is a closed subject as far as we know.
 
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What page
and what is the justification behind KJ2000 when 4 KE03 are already in service. The J10 is a closed subject as far as we know.
I have serious doubts we ever closed J-10 B project it was never closed as for KJ2000 there are news specially that news which came a month ago of an AWACS arriving in Pakistan is still a mystery that news came almost in every paper is still a mystery. Pakistan would have never dropped J-10 B when we knew India is trying to get Rafale J-10 B and C are our only options to counter them along with F-16 if more we can get good and JF-17 BLOCK II and III but PAF I know would not just depend on two platforms
 
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There are always better aircraft available. That is not what I am disputing. I have a Volkswagen, but I could always buy a better and more luxurious car such as Mercedes, Audi etc. The question is, do you really think that PAF can afford expensive fighters such as F-15 or EF? Secondly, even if they acquired these fighters they will always be prone to sanctions. Thirdly, I don't think the Americans and Europeans would be selling their fighters to Pakistan.

The J-10b is an excellent platform with all the bells and whistles that PAF requires at the moment and in the future. It is better than JF-17 in almost every aspect. Its price tag well within budget and justifiable. Heck, Pak could perhaps get it on favorable terms. It is the most realistic option that PAF has in the nearest short term. Otherwise you'll have to wait for a 5th gen platform which is going to take a while.

This is what happens when you talk out of context. If you go through the thread then you would realize what was being discussed.

In short PAF does not have a dedicated Air Superiority Fighter. PN requires a naval attack platform that can effectively control the EEZ. To cover these requirement one has to look towards an aircraft that can out fly the opponents have enough range to effectively petrol and then engage any threat and still mange to fly back to the airbase from where it left because PN does not have any Aircraft Carrier and does not intend to have in future.

Secondly Pakistan should not put all her eggs in one basket (China) and historically PAF has used 2 Western type of aircraft along with 2-3 Chinese Types at all times.

For training as well PAF has always used 2 -3 types out of which 1 has always been western.

Now it is up to decide if my post that you replied to is making sense or not.

The choice PAF has is between J-16 / F-15 and Eurofighter.
J-16 uses the same engines as J-10 and it can be further developed. It would complement both PAF and PN.
F-15 uses the same F-16 engines and is a mature platform and also has stealth features.
Eurofighter uses a different engine but that can be licensed produced in Pakistan if they want. Moreover this platform can be upgraded and there is also possibility that once the Turkish Fighter X is finally mature it would use a variant of the EJ-200 series.

Though there is also a possibility that PAF is looking for the KAI-T-50 Golden Eagle as an option which uses the same engine that powers the F-18's.

JF-17b uses the same engine as Rafale so one might think that PAF would be considering that aircraft as well but this highly unlikely.

It is agreed that all these aircraft would be expensive to operate but it is also agreed that Pakistan's economy is also going to improve in the future. Now is it not possible to afford twin engine fighters?

If one tries to look beyond 2020 then PAF would love to have 2 Chinese types of stealth fighter aircraft. PAF knows that China would be selling F-31's and JF-17 Stealth variant.

But what about the Western fighters replacement?
The option of getting F-35's is still unknown.
Turkish Fighter X is an option.
Korean Fighter X is an option.

It is up to you to decide if you agree or disagree.

@MastanKhan Sir, would you like to say some thing on this subject.
 
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This was my way of "nicely" dealing with the extreme anger I felt when some smart individual (or a total ed8), tried to call the F-22 "OLD" and compared it to the Chinese plane which is STILL in design and from the designs of it, still doesn't look totally stealthy.

There weren't emotions, it was a paragraph written in the shape of images. The first part was, the post was silly, comical and ridiculous. Second part, the person's brain waves were obviously out of synch, as he couldn't understand the difference between the -22 and the J-20's. Third was, the post had some crazy ideas in it, showing the writers mind set.

And fourth was, the US rules when it comes to advance aviation and jets such as the -22. Now you see how I compressed such a lengthy response in a few images??? They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Well, here, the pictures were worth a few lines of details I didn't have to write :-)

I think you was the person who answered on live television, Canada is one the states of america!!! oops

Can you open this youtube video on PLAYIT.PK and then copy / past the link so that Pakistani members ca watch it please.

China tests ADVANCED STEALTH Aircraft J 20 rival to the US Air force F-22 and F-35 - PlayIt.pk
 
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@MastanKhan Sir, would you like to say some thing on this subject.

Hi,

Paf needs a fighter aircraft in the category of J10 and above with an Aesa.

I think you was the person who answered on live television, Canada is one the states of america!!! oops


Hi,

Sir----with just 4 posts to your name---what are you trying to achieve?
 
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