Pakistan in danger of falling into China’s “debt trap”

[ziaulislam]

You start your post with a refreshing reality check that most Pak posters fail to see.
Then, you seek to downplay it with mutual dependence argument.
Let me break that down for you. If Pak defaults on loan payments then China can enforce control with long term lease, long enough to outstrech the lifetimes of children in Pakistsn. No dependency required but a simple enforcement to follow orders.

Check your CPEC contracts if your politicians are willing to make them public.


Denial at best. Check.

Debt as a % of GDP has doubled every 7 years since 1990.



Its not the quantum of debt. It is the ratio of external debt to GDP, ratio of debt % growth to GDP % growth. Both unfortunately paint a grim scene.

WTF at best..
i am tired of this
i am just goign to argue on this one point as sample..i dont have time for other bullshit

debt to gdp ratio was all time low in growth sport of early 2000s and dropped to historical low of 50s,
i went up by 7 points in low growth era of PPPP but has been stable..(this waht exactly IMF report says couple of days ago)

NOW YOU WERE SAYING IT DOUBLE EVERY SEVEN YEARS SINCE 1990S, ARE YOU SMOKING WEED

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pakistan will grow 6+ with short term challenges to current account deficit(like every country including india had in early 2000s, in balance between rapid increasing machinery imports and exports), i dont expect debt issues, it will continue to drop

now compare that to SHINNING INDIA

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please do some research before brain farting

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

All are Allah's creation... One is not better that the other... Racism is against islam...
Am I correct???


That was the reply of your post... If more investment will come in special economic zones , that's good for your economy for sure...

Don't care about religion. I care about my Pakistani heritage and race. The indians are an enemy of my people as I am theirs too. So I hate ALL of them. Even indian so called "Muslims".

 

[ziaulislam]

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i see no problem even if govt goes to IMF which it would probably not in wake of recovery in last 6 months in exports
but challenges are repayment to IMF

most of Chinese investment is BOT, meaning in 30 years you will get every project free of cost including most of hydro projects
its probably not ideal and has huge returns but better than no investment

there are only two major loan projects
1. railway massive upgrade projects of whole railway infrastructure to increase speed from 80 km to 160km costing 12 billion dollars
2. karachi two nuclear pwoer plants 9 billion dollars
but thats it

none of articles that i have seen have discussed particulars or said anything specific apart from usually"at risk " shit. well every third would country is at risk and hence the rating

purely professional articles on WB/IMF have painted the picture positive and have only mentioned current account deficit as an issue

 

[Clutch]

Here you go: tracing a specific strand of dna that originated in south India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20



For the impatient:

Sengupta et al. (2006) observed three subbranches of haplogroup L: L1-M76 (L1a1), L2-M317 (L1b) and L3-M357 (L1a2). All three are found mostly in South Asia.[8] According to Sengupta et al. (2006), the L-M20 subclade L-M76 (L1a1) "underwent early diversification in South India and subsequently expanded toward peripheral regions."[9] They note that the frequency and microsatellite variance of L1 are highest in south India, the southwest and the west coast, proposing "a pattern of spread emanating from southern India."

Wrong thread... This thread is not about India or its DNA.

Wow. So you are now saying that the entire discussion is baseless not even worth considering the implications of a deal that your politicians are not willing to go public.

So, was Pakistan not a part of british colony? Delusional. Did they teach you about independence movement in Indian sub continent at school or were you in a madrasa?

Madrassa means school in Arabic... It could be a school teaching Chinese ... In Arabic it would be called Chinese madrassa ... Or a school teaching photography... It would be called a photography madrassa.

You start your post with a refreshing reality check that most Pak posters fail to see.
Then, you seek to downplay it with mutual dependence argument.
Let me break that down for you. If Pak defaults on loan payments then China can enforce control with long term lease, long enough to outstrech the lifetimes of children in Pakistsn. No dependency required but a simple enforcement to follow orders.

Check your CPEC contracts if your politicians are willing to make them public.


Denial at best. Check.

Debt as a % of GDP has doubled every 7 years since 1990.



Its not the quantum of debt. It is the ratio of external debt to GDP, ratio of debt % growth to GDP % growth. Both unfortunately paint a grim scene.

Why is a hindutva so concerned about Pakistan's debt?

 

[Lil Mathew]

Don't care about religion. I care about my Pakistani heritage and race. The indians are an enemy of my people as I am theirs too. So I hate ALL of them. Even indian so called "Muslims".

How can you ignore religion as a Pakistani??? Islam is Pakistan's origin and existance...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

How can you ignore religion as a Pakistani??? Islam is Pakistan's origin and existance...

And indian so called "Muslims" are the enemy of Pakistan. The REAL reason for the existence of Pakistan is as a safe space for a unique race of people with a unique way of life who HAPPEN to be Muslims. Nothing more. We protect our OWN. Bar Turkey, the rest of the Muslims globally are not our problem.

 

[Lil Mathew]

And indian so called "Muslims" are the enemy of Pakistan. The REAL reason for the existence of Pakistan is as a safe space for a unique race of people with a unique way of life who HAPPEN to be Muslims. Nothing more. We protect our OWN. Bar Turkey, the rest of the Muslims globally are not our problem.

Pakistan is created only on the basis of islam... Race is not taken into consideration...
Which race you belongs???

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan is created only on the basis of islam... Race is not taken into consideration...
Which race you belongs???

It's not the preogative of an indian to tell us what the reason was for Pakistan's creation. We had a religious AND racial reason for our creation. A foreign outsider like you can never understand this as you are not one of us. I beling to a NON-indian race that has resided in the land that is Pakistan for over 1000s of years. Ever wondered why a Pakistani Pathan, Balouch, Kalash etc look NOTHING like an indian?

 

[Lil Mathew]

It's not the preogative of an indian to tell us what the reason was for Pakistan's creation. We had a religious AND racial reason for our creation. A foreign outsider like you can never understand this as you are not one of us. I beling to a NON-indian race that has resided in the land that is Pakistan for over 1000s of years. Ever wondered why a Pakistani Pathan, Balouch, Kalash etc look NOTHING like an indian?

So you people are not the sons of soil... That is migrants from some other country... From which country you were migrated to India???

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So you people are not the sons of soil... That is migrants from some other country... From which country you were migrated to India???

We most certainly are sons and daughters of the soil. But the sons and daughters of the soil of the land of modern day Pakistan are a completely different race to those of modern day indians. We always were. Even before the advent of Islam. It explains why a Pakistani Pathan or Baloch has ALWAYS looked so vastly differently to a south/central india regardless of religion. That has been the case for many millenia. It is the reason why we ultimately needed our own nation/safe space.

 

[Lil Mathew]

We most certainly are sons and daughters of the soil. But the sons and daughters of the soil of the land of modern day Pakistan are a completely different race to those of modern day indians. We always were. Even before the advent of Islam. It explains why a Pakistani Pathan or Baloch has ALWAYS looked so vastly differently to a south/central india regardless of religion. That has been the case for many millenia. It is the reason why we ultimately needed our own nation/safe space.

But Punjabis and sindhi are indo-aryans (same as majority of Indians) ... They are controlling modern Pakistan...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

But Punjabis and sindhi are indo-aryans (same as majority of Indians) ... They are controlling modern Pakistan...

Pakistani Punjabis and Sindhis due to prolonged mixing with the tribes West of us like Pathans, Baloch, Kalash etc are no longer the same race as the indians. They may speak the same language but they are physically/racially very different to indians.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

US should save us from debt traps by compensating for 120 billion dollars lost in their exported war.

 

[Lil Mathew]

Pakistani Punjabis and Sindhis due to prolonged mixing with the tribes West of us like Pathans, Baloch, Kalash etc are no longer the same race as the indians. They may speak the same language but they are physically/racially very different to indians.

During partition almost 14 million people migrated in religious basis... That is from India to Pakistan and vice versa... Also note that population of Pakistan after partition was only 30 million... So your race theory has a little meaning...Na???

 

[ziaulislam]

if the finance secretry recomendations are followed things will look better
as matter of fact this is the latest update
"The country’s foreign exchange reserves have been declining each week and recently fell to a record low since FY15. The total foreign liquid reserves currently stand at $18.32bn compared to $18.7bn in FY15."

cooments:
a very negative statement but when you compare facts the fall has just been 500 million dollars.

the financing of 6-8 billion dollars will be met by mix of bonds, loans and foreign invetsment in CPEC
but if govt might decides it might cushion IMF repayments with IMF stand by loans, which is basically an extension of loans