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Pak is a Southwest Asian Regional Power of Global Consequence... proven right once again!
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"A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state” – despite the “grave danger” to Iraq’s unity – as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
I think you misunderstood my point.
Remember how long it took Pakistan to clear Waziristan region from militants and how many American drone strikes were involved? Operations began in 2009 (Operation Rah-e-Nijat) and ended in 2016 (Operation Zarb-e-Azb). Drone strikes (alone) number in hundreds which claimed some of the greatest tacticians of TTP during the course of this "war." Americans were also funding such operations.
Modern-era wars are much more complicated then "professionalism" of soldiers: funding and logistics are the backbone of large-scale military operations and Pakistan is lacking in these areas (in offensive capacity). To put it simply, we are not in the position to deploy our army in large numbers in Iraq and sustain such an operation through our own funds.
ISIS is much bigger than TTP with massive footprints in Syria and Iraq but Americans are pounding them day and night and this is why Iraqi forces (in Iraq) and YPG (in Syria) have been able to make advances on the ground. Iranian militias are also in the picture and fighting ISIS separately. You can find ample evidence on the web. Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Inherent_Resolve
To be honest, even I am not sure how these militant factions became so powerful that they could challenge professional armies in the battlefield and last so long in-spite of heavy pounding.
As for shooting down Israeli aircraft:-
Do you think PAF was officially involved? Did Pakistani pilots use combat aircraft supplied by PAF? Skills of Pakistani pilots are not in question but it is safe to say that Israeli had no idea about the identity of pilots in those aircraft during the engagements (or earlier).
Pakistani armed forces never clashed with Israeli armed forces in a formal way - this was my point. We are not at war with Israel.
Bro,So it took us 7 years?...........that's great!......16 years later at the Americans still havn't managed to destroy the Taliban despite being a military superpower. So even by your own admission we've been terrific. No wonder the Iraqi brothers appreciate our effort.
meanwhile America which routinely provides support to Daesh in Syria and Iraq
is preparing to sanction Pakistan and continuously blames it for the failures in Afghanistan
where does America fit in here?
it providesd air support to Daesh whenever it is at the brink of a defeat in Syria
it bombs Syrian forces on one side and also air drops ammunition to Daesh and then in Iraq it sometimes targets Daesh?
very confusing.
Bro,
They can "choose" to wipe Afghanistan from existence in a span of few minutes, if they want to. American war-machine is that strong.
However, war in Afghanistan conflict is "political" in large part. Many American military veterans will tell you this.
Current objectives are to transform Afghanistan into a democratic state with military involvement being reduced to "advisory role" and winning bids for rebuilding effort - profiteering in short. Do you think this is a winning strategy in Afghanistan? Not in military terms.
Afghans are split on ethnic grounds (Pashtun versus Others), political grounds (South versus North) and many adhere to tribal customs in-between. Not easy to unite such a fractured nation.
Bro,Why not be more fair and try to 'wipe out' the Taliban instead. 16 years later and the world's most powerful military has failed miserably.
Bro,
You are blaming the wrong force for that failure. American war-machine is an absolute juggernaut with unparalleled firepower and resources at its disposal. Should it be allowed to do whatever it takes to win in an enemy country - it will without an iota of doubt.
However, US war-machine is not an independent force - it is answerable to (elected) American politicians in the Senate and White House. And they do not believe in wiping nations from existence insofar.
As I pointed out earlier, Americans have "political objectives" in Afghanistan.
In order to wipe a nation from existence, you need a solid political (and propaganda) basis for it. And this is increasingly difficult in current times with social media in the picture and pro-humanity movements around the world.
So it took us 7 years?...........that's great!......16 years later at the Americans still havn't managed to destroy the Taliban despite being a military superpower. So even by your own admission we've been terrific. No wonder the Iraqi brothers appreciate our effort.
Bro,So the American military acts within rules????????......................in the afterlife, millions of Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans and Syrians will testify otherwise............
So the American military acts within rules????????......................in the afterlife, millions of Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans and Syrians will testify otherwise............