Pakistan helped Iraq in defeating IS, says Iraqi envoy

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Pak is a Southwest Asian Regional Power of Global Consequence... proven right once again!

 

[KN-1]

nice to know that Iraq acknowledge Pakistan's efforts unlike some ungrateful bastards.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

"A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state” – despite the “grave danger” to Iraq’s unity – as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

From Wiki:

On 29 December 1930, philosopher Sir Muhammad Iqbal called for an autonomous new state in "northwestern India for Indian Muslims".[8] The League rose in popularity through the late 1930s. Muhammad Ali Jinnahespoused the Two Nation Theory and led the League to adopt the Lahore Resolution[9] of 1940, demanding the formation of independent Muslim states in the North-West and North-East of British India.

That introduced "grave danger" to the unity of the former colony.

Are You suggesting that Iqbal and Jinnah had evil intent?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I think you misunderstood my point.

Remember how long it took Pakistan to clear Waziristan region from militants and how many American drone strikes were involved? Operations began in 2009 (Operation Rah-e-Nijat) and ended in 2016 (Operation Zarb-e-Azb). Drone strikes (alone) number in hundreds which claimed some of the greatest tacticians of TTP during the course of this "war." Americans were also funding such operations.

Modern-era wars are much more complicated then "professionalism" of soldiers: funding and logistics are the backbone of large-scale military operations and Pakistan is lacking in these areas (in offensive capacity). To put it simply, we are not in the position to deploy our army in large numbers in Iraq and sustain such an operation through our own funds.

ISIS is much bigger than TTP with massive footprints in Syria and Iraq but Americans are pounding them day and night and this is why Iraqi forces (in Iraq) and YPG (in Syria) have been able to make advances on the ground. Iranian militias are also in the picture and fighting ISIS separately. You can find ample evidence on the web. Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Inherent_Resolve

To be honest, even I am not sure how these militant factions became so powerful that they could challenge professional armies in the battlefield and last so long in-spite of heavy pounding.

As for shooting down Israeli aircraft:-

Do you think PAF was officially involved? Did Pakistani pilots use combat aircraft supplied by PAF? Skills of Pakistani pilots are not in question but it is safe to say that Israeli had no idea about the identity of pilots in those aircraft during the engagements (or earlier).

Pakistani armed forces never clashed with Israeli armed forces in a formal way - this was my point. We are not at war with Israel.

So it took us 7 years?...........that's great!......16 years later at the Americans still havn't managed to destroy the Taliban despite being a military superpower. So even by your own admission we've been terrific. No wonder the Iraqi brothers appreciate our effort.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Damn.....

Congratulation Iraq
Congratulation PAK

DEATH TO ISIS Scums

 

[LeGenD]

So it took us 7 years?...........that's great!......16 years later at the Americans still havn't managed to destroy the Taliban despite being a military superpower. So even by your own admission we've been terrific. No wonder the Iraqi brothers appreciate our effort.

Bro,

They can "choose" to wipe Afghanistan from existence in a span of few minutes, if they want to. American war-machine is that strong.

However, war in Afghanistan conflict is "political" in large part. Many American military veterans will tell you this.

Current objectives are to transform Afghanistan into a democratic state with military involvement being reduced to "advisory role" and winning bids for rebuilding effort - profiteering in short. Do you think this is a winning strategy in Afghanistan? Not in military terms.

Afghans are split on ethnic grounds (Pashtun versus Others), political grounds (South versus North) and many adhere to tribal customs in-between. Not easy to unite such a fractured nation.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

meanwhile America which routinely provides support to Daesh in Syria and Iraq
is preparing to sanction Pakistan and continuously blames it for the failures in Afghanistan


where does America fit in here?
it providesd air support to Daesh whenever it is at the brink of a defeat in Syria
it bombs Syrian forces on one side and also air drops ammunition to Daesh and then in Iraq it sometimes targets Daesh?
very confusing.

Already at the beginnings of the Syrian Rebellion it was noted that there were no "good guys"
to support, so the FSA that organized the rebellion found themselves more or less abandoned
by the West.
Syrian Government atrocities began to be highlighted by the press forcing some token support
with anti tank missiles being noted.
Also a CIA training program was started, with some funding, but that only resulted in a few dozen trained rebels, and generally was deemed a complete failure a few years ago.
FSA rebels deserted to Al-Nusra, or simple handed over weapons to other organisations
as payment for passage and other things.
The significant amount of support for rebels has come from KSA and Gulf states.
The Toyota affairs show that they supplied 50,000 vehicles, and the US supplied a few hundred.

The US has bombed Syrian troops by mistake a few times,
but lately has attacked Syrians Government forces attacking rebels trained to fight ISIS.
I doubt that the US has made any effort to supply ISIS.

You might as well claim that the British supported the Nazis during operation Market-Garden.
They dropped a lot of supplies right into the hands of the Wehrmacht/SS.

Meanwhile, the USAF is online 24/7 to support the Iraqi Army in its fight against ISIS.

So it is really not that complicated.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bro,

They can "choose" to wipe Afghanistan from existence in a span of few minutes, if they want to. American war-machine is that strong.

However, war in Afghanistan conflict is "political" in large part. Many American military veterans will tell you this.

Current objectives are to transform Afghanistan into a democratic state with military involvement being reduced to "advisory role" and winning bids for rebuilding effort - profiteering in short. Do you think this is a winning strategy in Afghanistan? Not in military terms.

Afghans are split on ethnic grounds (Pashtun versus Others), political grounds (South versus North) and many adhere to tribal customs in-between. Not easy to unite such a fractured nation.

Why not be more fair and try to 'wipe out' the Taliban instead. 16 years later and the world's most powerful military has failed miserably.

 

[Muhammed45]

Well, Thanks to Pakistan

Just don't shoot our poor drones because of 4 Km of saying hello,

 

[LeGenD]

Why not be more fair and try to 'wipe out' the Taliban instead. 16 years later and the world's most powerful military has failed miserably.

Bro,

You are blaming the wrong force for that failure. American war-machine is an absolute juggernaut with unparalleled firepower and resources at its disposal. Should it be allowed to do whatever it takes to win in an enemy country - it will without an iota of doubt.

However, US war-machine is not an independent force - it is answerable to (elected) American politicians in the Senate and White House. And they do not believe in wiping nations from existence insofar.

As I pointed out earlier, Americans have "political objectives" in Afghanistan.

In order to wipe a nation from existence, you need a solid political (and propaganda) basis for it. And this is increasingly difficult in current times with social media in the picture and pro-humanity movements around the world.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bro,

You are blaming the wrong force for that failure. American war-machine is an absolute juggernaut with unparalleled firepower and resources at its disposal. Should it be allowed to do whatever it takes to win in an enemy country - it will without an iota of doubt.

However, US war-machine is not an independent force - it is answerable to (elected) American politicians in the Senate and White House. And they do not believe in wiping nations from existence insofar.

As I pointed out earlier, Americans have "political objectives" in Afghanistan.

In order to wipe a nation from existence, you need a solid political (and propaganda) basis for it. And this is increasingly difficult in current times with social media in the picture and pro-humanity movements around the world.

So the American military acts within rules????????......................in the afterlife, millions of Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans and Syrians will testify otherwise............

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

So it took us 7 years?...........that's great!......16 years later at the Americans still havn't managed to destroy the Taliban despite being a military superpower. So even by your own admission we've been terrific. No wonder the Iraqi brothers appreciate our effort.

How come there are still terrorist attacks in Pakistan, if the job is completed?

Before You injure Yourself by Your chest thumping,
you should compare the contribution by Iraqis and the US
compared to the contribution by Pakistan.

I would not be surprised if it is just noise compared to the $11M the US is spending each day,
just on the Air Support.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-isis-war-cost-2016-1?r=US&IR=T&IR=T

 

[LeGenD]

So the American military acts within rules????????......................in the afterlife, millions of Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans and Syrians will testify otherwise............

Bro,

It actually does - otherwise, we would be witnessing repeat of [WW-II style] Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in every conflict and each would have ended long ago. As I stated earlier, nations would seize to exist if subjected to such firepower.

Which state pioneered "precision munition" for use in war? USA.

http://stockton.usnwc.edu/ils/vol89/iss1/25/
http://csbaonline.org/uploads/documents/Evolution-of-Precision-Strike-final-v15.pdf (PDF format)
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/precision-strike-evolution-9347

@gambit

The above being the case, a major war is still a disruptive event. Millions are forced to flee their homes for personal safety and thousands die in the crossfire.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

Why did actually Pakistan do it and what benefit it will gain after doing so much for Iraq. Our efforts and expertise are not cheap to go for free whenever needed by someone. If Pakistan has done that much for Iraq, than it should also gain some advantage and benefits from Iraq or at-least a little power influence just like Iran. On the other hand, it also seems that Iraq is closer to India than Pakistan.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

So the American military acts within rules????????......................in the afterlife, millions of Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans and Syrians will testify otherwise............

You mean the Millions killed by Muslims, after the US has overthrown their dictators?
Or not overthrown their dictators (Syria)