Pakistan helped Iraq in defeating IS, says Iraqi envoy

[Taimoor Khan]

training Iraqi soldiers , yes pakistan can do that. But can you explain the intel part? we seriously want to know how long pakistans reach is.

You good in English? Read the article again specially where the ambassador mentioned specific areas where Pakistan aided Iraq. Put your reading glasses on as well.

 

[cocomo]

This thread has nothing to do with India but these vermin have to spoil every thread.

 

[Pakistani E]

From Wiki:

On 29 December 1930, philosopher Sir Muhammad Iqbal called for an autonomous new state in "northwestern India for Indian Muslims".[8] The League rose in popularity through the late 1930s. Muhammad Ali Jinnahespoused the Two Nation Theory and led the League to adopt the Lahore Resolution[9] of 1940, demanding the formation of independent Muslim states in the North-West and North-East of British India.

That introduced "grave danger" to the unity of the former colony.

Are You suggesting that Iqbal and Jinnah had evil intent?

Laughable. You are trying to compare a legitimate political struggle led by Liberal minded Muslim leaders to that of extremist armed groups who were already busy killing anyone who disagreed with them, with the help of undemocratic kingdoms in the middle east some of whom are not very different from the ideology behind ISIS.

Jinnah, on the other hand, was prepared to compromise with Nehru till the end. Jinnah himself was part of Congress years prior to that. Read Jinnah's Fourteen points, and his speeches to the legislative assembly of Pakistan. Your comparison between ISIS and other terrorist groups and the movement for Pakistan just betrays your ignorance of this matter and a poor attempt to deflect the very real role western intelligence played in trying to set up extremists principalities just to weaken Syria.

Also, read the full article instead of just taking one point and trying to spin it.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Laughable. You are trying to compare a legitimate political struggle led by Liberal minded Muslim leaders to that of extremist armed groups who were already busy killing anyone who disagreed with them, with the help of undemocratic kingdoms in the middle east some of whom are not very different from the ideology behind ISIS.

Jinnah, on the other hand, was prepared to compromise with Nehru till the end. Jinnah himself was part of Congress years prior to that. Read Jinnah's Fourteen points, and his speeches to the legislative assembly of Pakistan. Your comparison between ISIS and other terrorist groups and the movement for Pakistan just betrays your ignorance of this matter and a poor attempt to deflect the very real role western intelligence played in trying to set up extremists principalities just to weaken Syria.

Also, read the full article instead of just taking one point and trying to spin it.

Laughable, You think that the US had a goal to set up a Jihadist state,
performing ethnic cleansing of everyone not subscribing to their version of Islam,
with an intense hatred of the West?
The US would be interested in Syria developing towards a Kemalist State,
where the minority would not repress the majority or vice versa.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

How come there are still terrorist attacks in Pakistan, if the job is completed?

Before You injure Yourself by Your chest thumping,
you should compare the contribution by Iraqis and the US
compared to the contribution by Pakistan.

I would not be surprised if it is just noise compared to the $11M the US is spending each day,
just on the Air Support.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-does-isis-war-cost-2016-1?r=US&IR=T&IR=T

But it is on the decrease and Pakistan is winning especially in light of the fact that a lot of powerful forces wanted to do to Pakistan what they had done to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya & Syria. Pakistan has IN FACT come out very well.

You mean the Millions killed by Muslims, after the US has overthrown their dictators?
Or not overthrown their dictators (Syria)

Didn't realise the Americans didn't kill anyone in Iraq & Afghanistan. Must be my imagination then. Now I'll be going to watch Elvis and Karen Carpenter song live at Wembley arena tomorrow........

Bro,

It actually does - otherwise, we would be witnessing repeat of [WW-II style] Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in every conflict and each would have ended long ago. As I stated earlier, nations would seize to exist if subjected to such firepower.

Which state pioneered "precision munition" for use in war? USA.

http://stockton.usnwc.edu/ils/vol89/iss1/25/
http://csbaonline.org/uploads/documents/Evolution-of-Precision-Strike-final-v15.pdf (PDF format)
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/precision-strike-evolution-9347

@gambit

The above being the case, a major war is still a disruptive event. Millions are forced to flee their homes for personal safety and thousands die in the crossfire.

And for those that have lived through those conflicts they probably have witnessed just as much horror as those from WW2 and other conflicts. Didn't realise that the Americans never kill people during conflicts. Those Vietnamese, Iraqis & Afghans must be the biggest liars that ever existed......

 

[Pakistani E]

Laughable, You think that the US had a goal to set up a Jihadist state,
performing ethnic cleansing of everyone not subscribing to their version of Islam,
with an intense hatred of the West?
The US would be interested in Syria developing towards a Kemalist State,
where the minority would not repress the majority or vice versa.

I never actually stated that the U.S was trying to establish ISIS in its current form. If you had bothered to read the article, you would have known exactly my thinking.

Since it's clear you did not bother to read the article, all my responses will now be quotes from it, so that you may understand what I am saying:

"A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria."

 

[gambit]

So the American military acts within rules????????

Yes, we do. Look at WW II for the definitive example of if you face a ruthless US military. But even so, we were nothing compared to the Russians. Ask the Germans on what happened.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Laughable, You think that the US had a goal to set up a Jihadist state,
performing ethnic cleansing of everyone not subscribing to their version of Islam,
with an intense hatred of the West?
The US would be interested in Syria developing towards a Kemalist State,
where the minority would not repress the majority or vice versa.

a sincere advice to you Dont stuff your head with the things you don't understand

 

[Basel]

Pakistan doesn't have a direct role in war against ISIS. I see this as a "diplomatic praise."

US (and Iran) have a major role in fight against ISIS on the ground. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Pakistan have assets because many Pakistanis we're recruited from both side so it is obvious for intelligence to keep an eye on them and people they are working with.

 

[Awan68]

as bad as ISIS is you are taking sides in a civil war

shutup.

 

[Basel]

Well, Thanks to Pakistan

Just don't shoot our poor drones because of 4 Km of saying hello,

We won't if you allow our UCAVS inside 4km your borders.

Yes, we do. Look at WW II for the definitive example of if you face a ruthless US military. But even so, we were nothing compared to the Russians. Ask the Germans on what happened.

Where were your rules when US bombed Dresden, Germany??? US always run away from rules and accords which could put it's military personnel on trial for crimes against humanity.

 

[gambit]

Where were your rules when US bombed Dresden, Germany???

Next to none.

 

[wiseone2]

shutup.

I am stating the obvious

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes, we do. Look at WW II for the definitive example of if you face a ruthless US military. But even so, we were nothing compared to the Russians. Ask the Germans on what happened.

To bad those rules of engagement were not implemented in Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan. One rule for one, another rule for the others.

 

[gambit]

To bad those rules of engagement were not implemented in Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan. One rule for one, another rule for the others.

Yes, they were. The US fought in Viet Nam with the intention of partition. If the intention was otherwise, Hanoi would have been obliterated. Same for Iraq and Afghanistan. You do not know what you are yakking about.