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Pakistan has offered Afghanistan US $20 million for training of ANSF

Try this : Journey of Friendship - Pakistan's Assistance to Afghanistan

Every pence of it was a waste but a sunk cost now !



Exactly !

Imagine how many schools could be built in FATA or Baluchistan or Southern Punjab or Interior Sindh with $20 million !

Bohaaat paisaaa haiii zayaa karnaaa ka tou Noora can give twice that amount out of his own Business Interests leave our hard earned tax revenue for us !



It should've been built in one of the Agencies instead !

We're Pakistanis not son's of Hatim Taiii !

well sir we should help them no matter what they think about us.

Atleast they are our neighbours.

Though i really hate the attitude of tajiks/uzbeks very smilar to indians.
 
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when will we pakistanis stop caring about people who don't give a damn about us?:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:
 
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1. I don't have the references handy but it was reported that a officer from ANSF attended the staff college at Quetta recently (you'll remember Gen Bismillah Khan's visit to Pakistan a year or two ago -- it happened shortly after that) -- but on his return to Afghanistan he recommended that students be sent to India instead of Pakistan.

2. Similarly it was reported that Afghan officers don't want to come to Pakistan for they will be labelled as spies and it will negatively affect their carrier.

3. I don't know if it still is a rule but in the 50s through the 80s, if an Afghan officer or diplomat had a Pakistani spouse they were essentially sidelined or dismissed from service -- so this hostility to "Pakiness" (as referred to by Afghans) is deep seated and is not going away anytime.

4. It is also worth noting, that Afghanistan could probably get much superior training than Indian academies at say Turkish Harp Okuls, which would not raise any heckles in Pakistan -- but instead they seem to be fixated on Indian offerings -- the question is why? -- I have not been able to formulate an answer (but I guess Afghan thinking is often opaque to even Afghans themselves).

5. Pakistanis should remember that a lot of the people who are the most anti-Pakistan in Afghanistan were educated in Pakistan or supported by Pakistan at some point, specific examples:
a. Ahmad Shah Masood
b. Sibghatullah Mojaddedi
c. Amrullah Saleh (yes even him -- he fled to Pakistan to avoid being conscripted)
d. Hamid Karzai (he lived in both Peshawar and Quetta and Islamabad
-- he recently complained to Mushahid Hussain that the green zones in Islamabad
-- have been reduced where he used to enjoy evening walks
e. There is a long list of intellectuals who fit here.

6. I think the aversion to Pakistani things is very deep in Afghan culture -- there is a blog post by His Excellency Zahir Tarin, Afghanistan permanent representative to the UN (which I think he's taken down now -- I could not find it) where he recounts a story about his grandfather telling him not to buy anything made in Pakistan (which he then ties to his reasoning about Pakistan -- really strange thinking for a Diplomat but it was there).

7. Pakistanis should think of Afghanistan as they Afghans want to be thought of by Pakistanis -- just another people (so Slovenians) -- Pakistanis make the mistake of viewing Afghanistan and Afghans through the lens of family. Though this lens is appropriate for most of the larger Muslims world such as: Turkey, Iran, KSA, UAE, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bosnia, etc. -- it for some reason is the incorrect lens to understand Afghans. Yes based on proximity, our languages, culture, religion, dress, Afghans should be indistinguishable from us Pakistanis but for some odd reason this is not the case. As anecdote I was listening to a talk by His Excellency Shaida Abdali (Afghan Ambassador to India) and it occurred to me that if he was sighted at a CSP officer's desk in Lahore he would not for a second be out of place -- however as they looks can be deceiving.,

8. If past is precedent, Nawaz Sharif will be disappointed.

A major reason is that Afghans historically viewed that a major part of their land was annexed by the British and then given to Pakistan after partition. There is indeed some truth to that.
 
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well sir we should help them no matter what they think about us.

Atleast they are our neighbours.

Though i really hate the attitude of tajiks/uzbeks very smilar to indians they are(slave minded).

No we shouldn't !

You are my Brother - Whatever is mine is yours & I mean that !

I don't owe them anything !
 
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A major reason is that Afghans historically viewed that a major part of their land was annexed by the British and then given to Pakistan after partition. There is indeed some truth to that.

and those part of the Pakistan don't want to be with or under Afghanistan when we see millions of them shifting to Pakistan

i will right sometime later about the Great betrayal the day we were sold off to british india by afghan elites to save their asses from foriegn invasion with inputs from local pashtuns in bannu,miranshah,baka khel wazir and post it during my winter vacations

No we shouldn't !

You are my Brother - Whatever is mine is yours & I mean that !

I don't owe them anything !

indeed your right considering the recent behavior of them.

anyway still from my side best of luck to them against talibastards
 
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and those part of the Pakistan don't want to be with or under Afghanistan when we see millions of them shifting to Pakistan

Does not matter, the Afghan view point has some merit. Your best friend China uses exactly the same argument to make ancient claims and Pakistanis support them.
 
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A major reason is that Afghans historically viewed that a major part of their land was annexed by the British and then given to Pakistan after partition. There is indeed some truth to that.

Sure let's start with history, surely it must explain the present -- let's recount:
1. Amir Sbuktigin Of Ghazni
2. Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni
3. Somnath
4. Muhammad Ghauri
5. Shahabuddin Muhammad Ghori

mmmmm I guess "Marg bar Pokistan"?
 
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Does not matter, the Afghan view point has some merit. Your best friend China uses exactly the same argument to make ancient claims and Pakistanis support them.

do you think they can do this?i mean capture the land back?

do you know ANP was once mulling to claim back the ancient pashtunistan region because pakistan has 75% of the world pashtuns and holds a greater hold on Ancient pashtunistan region?

infact even the TTP doesnt want to annex it with afghanistan because they know afghanistan for the forseeable future will be under tajiks whom have already persinaized everything in afghanistan to a non returnable point.

Do you know now the baloch leaders are accusing the pashtuns and Pak govt for giving huge amount of nationalities to afghan refugees and this has today equalized the pashtuns and baloch population at 45% and 45% in balochistan.

i can tell you hundreds of afghan refugees now holding bannu domiciles and studying in pakistan reading the so called Pak study books you guys have made fuss about.

Pakistan by 2014 end and onwards will expect atleast 2-3millions more afghan refugees.which we can't really afford.

but if afghanistan is left with only 5-6millions pashtuns as it already has only 8-10millions pashtuns than we the people of kpk,southern balochistan and fata will leave no reason to recapture our land back upto amu darya from where the historic khorosan region starts.and you know if we can capture kashmir than certainly a dud region like the adjacent parts of border with pakistan wont be a problem.

But we are happy without them even though we feel for them.we already are 35millions in pakistan and growing.

They ditched us in 1893 and sold us to british exactly after 100 years they came to us and we gave them shelters after the sovient invasion of afghanistan

this is the reason even LALA said we have big hearts
 
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Sure let's start with history, surely it must explain the present -- let's recount:
1. Amir Sbuktigin Of Ghazni
2. Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni
3. Somnath
4. Muhammad Ghauri
5. Shahabuddin Muhammad Ghori

mmmmm I guess "Marg bar Pokistan"?

History certainly influences the present. No islamic invaders in the past, no Pakistan today.

But Afghans as a nation feel they only lost those parts because of the British. That certainly has merit and truth. Even if it did not, fact is Afghans think that way and that certainly explains some of their hostility, does it not?

@farhan_9909 you are reading too much into it. All i aid was - Afghans feel a certain way - FACT. Afghans lost those lands to the British - FACT!
 
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History certainly influences the present. No islamic invaders in the past, no Pakistan today.

But Afghans as a nation feel they only lost those parts because of the British. That certainly has merit and truth. Even if it did not, fact is Afghans think that way and that certainly explains some of their hostility, does it not?

So, by your reasoning: Afghans must have an overwhelming hatred of the British their perpretrators of this injustice.

I would venture that: your theory is lacking (?)

The level of hostility and hatred afghans harbor for Pakistanis cannot be explained by some historical wrong that happened in the late 19th century.
 
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So, by your reasoning: Afghans must have an overwhelming hatred of the British their perpretrators of this injustice.

I would venture that: your theory is lacking (?)

The level of hostility and hatred afghans harbor for Pakistanis cannot be explained by some historical wrong that happened in the late 19th century.

Thats certainly a factor. British have left, Indian, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Afghans, Sri Lanks etc etc - British is not an issue anymore.

Have you considered unleashing the Taliban rule as one of the factors?
 
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Exactly !

Imagine how many schools could be built in FATA or Baluchistan or Southern Punjab or Interior Sindh with $20 million !

Bohaaat paisaaa haiii zayaa karnaaa ka tou Noora can give twice that amount out of his own Business Interests leave our hard earned tax revenue for us !

We're Pakistanis not son's of Hatim Taiii !

Check this video, this poor kid is barely 8 years old and selling patisa to support family. I don't have direct link to the video so I have to give you some forum's webpage link.

A Story of 8 Years Old Boy Who is Selling Pateesa Due to Inflationa and Poverty... Must Watch

As for afghans on this Forum, I am not in mood I have in past posted huge contribution of Pakistan yet you people come up with usual rant that Pakistani government ate it no they did not eat it UN ate it records tell it all, even nawaz sharif who I hate did not eat from UNHCR and other UN funds but it went straight to NGOS and UN organizations in Pakistan who became richer, so stop the barking.
 
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Thats certainly a factor. British have left, Indian, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Afghans, Sri Lanks etc etc - British is not an issue anymore.

Have you considered unleashing the Taliban rule as one of the factors?

I mean seriously? you seriously think that Pakistanis are not aware of this narrative: Taliban, Mujahideen, Durand line, etc.?
 
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1. I don't have the references handy but it was reported that a officer from ANSF attended the staff college at Quetta recently (you'll remember Gen Bismillah Khan's visit to Pakistan a year or two ago -- it happened shortly after that) -- but on his return to Afghanistan he recommended that students be sent to India instead of Pakistan.

2. Similarly it was reported that Afghan officers don't want to come to Pakistan for they will be labelled as spies and it will negatively affect their carrier.

3. I don't know if it still is a rule but in the 50s through the 80s, if an Afghan officer or diplomat had a Pakistani spouse they were essentially sidelined or dismissed from service -- so this hostility to "Pakiness" (as referred to by Afghans) is deep seated and is not going away anytime.

4. It is also worth noting, that Afghanistan could probably get much superior training than Indian academies at say Turkish Harp Okuls, which would not raise any heckles in Pakistan -- but instead they seem to be fixated on Indian offerings -- the question is why? -- I have not been able to formulate an answer (but I guess Afghan thinking is often opaque to even Afghans themselves).

5. Pakistanis should remember that a lot of the people who are the most anti-Pakistan in Afghanistan were educated in Pakistan or supported by Pakistan at some point, specific examples:
a. Ahmad Shah Masood
b. Sibghatullah Mojaddedi
c. Amrullah Saleh (yes even him -- he fled to Pakistan to avoid being conscripted)
d. Hamid Karzai (he lived in both Peshawar and Quetta and Islamabad
-- he recently complained to Mushahid Hussain that the green zones in Islamabad
-- have been reduced where he used to enjoy evening walks
e. There is a long list of intellectuals who fit here.

6. I think the aversion to Pakistani things is very deep in Afghan culture -- there is a blog post by his excellency Zahir Tarin, Afghanistan permanent representative to the UN (which I think he's taken down now -- I could not find it) where he recounts a story about his grandfather telling him not to buy anything made in Pakistan (which he then ties to his reasoning about Pakistan -- really strange thinking for a Diplomat but it was there).

7. Pakistanis should think of Afghans as the Afghans want to be thought of by Pakistanis -- just as another people (so say as Slovenians) -- Pakistanis make the mistake of viewing Afghanistan and Afghans through the lens of family. Though this lens is appropriate for most of the larger Muslim world such as: Turkey, Iran, KSA, UAE, Indonesia, Malaysia, Bosnia, etc. -- it, for some reason is the incorrect lens to understand Afghans. Yes based on proximity, language, culture, religion, dress, etc. Afghans should be indistinguishable from us Pakistanis but for some odd reason this is not the case. As anecdote: I was listening to a talk by his excellency Shaida Abdali (Afghan Ambassador to India) and it occurred to me that if he was sighted at a CSP officer's desk in Lahore he would not for a second be out of place -- however as they say: looks can be deceiving.,

8. If past is precedent, Nawaz Sharif will be disappointed.


Ha ha ha:woot: Turkish academies better than Indian Academies:hitwall:.Do you know anything about
CIJWS. Do you know that soldiers of different countries train in that establishment?including
US.similar goes to IMA.
 
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Ha ha ha:woot: Turkish academies better than Indian Academies:hitwall:.Do you know anything about
CIJWS. Do you know that soldiers of different countries train in that establishment?including
US.similar goes to IMA.

Bhaijan aap khush ho jain: ... sab say baray aap! aap ki kaya baat!
 
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