Pakistan First ! The case for Pakistani Nationalism.

[Baibars_1260]

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So Thalasemia studies prove that Pakistanis and indian Muslims are marrying eachother???????..........

You didn't understand my term "consanguineous".
Pakistani residents and expats DONT usually marry outside their families whether Afghan, Iranian or Albanian. A majority of the Pakistanis resident in UK are extremely insular and parochial ( Mirpuris) living in tight communities, and marriage is strictly controlled. A tiny fraction get westernized and marry not only Afghans, Iranians etc. but also White British citizens. No Mirpuri family from Bradford goes to the home of an Afghan family seeking the hand of their girl in marriage. UK police not withstanding they are likely to get flattened or beheaded ( probably both). In Pakistan they would be looking down the barrel of an AK-47.
Similarly an Iranian Shiite family is highly unlikely to go to a North Sunni Wahabi North Punjabi family offering their son in marriage. The Punjabi Chacha with his Kulha would reach for his walking stick and lay them a good five strokes.

Any Iranian Afghan marriages happen amongst culturally neutral urban professionals, who may be left wing or secular.

With Indian Muslims it is both.
There is much interaction between expat Indian and Pakistani professionals. Children meet, get to know each other and they marry.
Culturally the expat Indian Muslims are closer. Yes, the Afghan Muslims can speak pidgin Urdu ( sort of ).
Ask an Afghan to say "Thoda" ( little or less) .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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You didn't understand my term "consanguineous".
Pakistani residents and expats DONT usually marry outside their families whether Afghan, Iranian or Albanian. A majority of the Pakistanis resident in UK are extremely insular and parochial ( Mirpuris) living in tight communities, and marriage is strictly controlled. A tiny fraction get westernized and marry not only Afghans, Iranians etc. but also White British citizens. No Mirpuri family from Bradford goes to the home of an Afghan family seeking the hand of their girl in marriage. UK police not withstanding they are likely to get flattened or beheaded ( probably both). In Pakistan they would be looking down the barrel of an AK-47.
Similarly an Iranian Shiite family is highly unlikely to go to a North Sunni Wahabi North Punjabi family offering their son in marriage. The Punjabi Chacha with his Kulha would reach for his walking stick and lay them a good five strokes.

Any Iranian Afghan marriages happen amongst culturally neutral urban professionals, who may be left wing or secular.

With Indian Muslims it is both.
There is much interaction between expat Indian and Pakistani professionals. Children meet, get to know each other and they marry.
Culturally the expat Indian Muslims are closer. Yes, the Afghan Muslims can speak pidgin Urdu ( sort of ).
Ask an Afghan to say "Thoda" ( little or less) .

You definitely have no contact with young Pakistanis living in London, Luton or the South East of England. What you said above was true 10, 20 years ago and before that. The above no longer holds true.

In London I have even witnessed, Pakistani/Brazilian and Pakistani/German marriages.

 

[Baibars_1260]

You definitely have no contact with young Pakistanis living in London, Luton or the South East of England. What you said above was true 10, 20 years ago and before that. The above no longer holds true.

Was in Manchester, (Chorltan, Eccles) , Birmingham, Walsall, London, Croydon, Cardiff, Glasgow last year
Didn't see any Indian Muslims working in "Cash and Carry" .
Loved the restaurant "East is East" which my buddy , a doctor from Karachi took me out to eat.

I am little leery on driving on the left side of the road there though I adjust quickly in Karachi.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Was in Manchester, (Chorltan, Eccles) , Birmingham, Walsall, London, Croydon, Cardiff, Glasgow last year
Didn't see any Indian Muslims working in "Cash and Carry" .
Loved the restaurant "East is East" which my buddy , a doctor from Karachi took me out to eat.

I am little leery on driving on the left side of the road there though I adjust quickly in Karachi.

Are you of indian origin yourself?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Nobody is ready to say that he is Pakistani first. So Pakistani nationalism is a flimsy word.

Your inability (or unwillingness?) to comprehend what Pakistani Nationalism entails is not our fault.
Pakistani Nationalism is unique, you probably didn't bother to read through the previous comment

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Your inability (or unwillingness?) to comprehend what Pakistani Nationalism entails is not our fault.
Pakistani Nationalism is unique, you probably didn't bother to read through the previous comment

Would sanghis say anything else.......... ?

 

[Baibars_1260]

In London I have even witnessed, Pakistani/Brazilian and Pakistani/German marriages.

Yes, and I know of a marriage between a Masai from Kenya and a Cockney lady from Marble Arch.

Let's focus on tackling the Ummah crowd. Could you please take up my post #182 and onwards on this thread? If you could answer the crowd denouncing Pakistani Nationalism it would help.

 

[Cliftonite]

Yes, and I know of a marriage between a Masai from Kenya and a Cockney lady from Marble Arch.

Let's focus on tackling the Ummah crowd. Could you please take up my post #182 and onwards on this thread? If you could answer the crowd denouncing Pakistani Nationalism it would help.

You might as well talk to a wall. Play chess with a pigeon, the pigeon will knock over all the chess pieces and sh*t on the chessboard.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Are you of indian origin yourself?

Don't understand the term "indian origin ". Technically, all Pakistanis are of "indian origin" as Muslims have been present in old united India for 1000 years ( far longer than they have been residing in Luton or West Bromwich ).
Shouldn't we concentrate on the person's views than on the person himself? Notice I never asked your origins .
But to satisfy your curiosity, I am a Pakistani first ( like the topic of this thread), my family has had numerous intermarriages across ethnic groups, and I am a product of one of those unions . I taught myself a smattering of a few languages but my mother tongue is Urdu which I love and adore.
Should be enough. Right?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You might as well talk to a wall. Play chess with a pigeon, the pigeon will knock over all the chess pieces and sh*t on the chessboard.

So says the worshipper of sanghi gangus on pdf...................:

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Don't understand the term "indian origin ". Technically, all Pakistanis are of "indian origin" as Muslims have been present in old united India for 1000 years ( far longer than they have been residing in Luton or West Bromwich ).
Shouldn't we concentrate on the person's views than on the person himself? Notice I never asked your origins .
But to satisfy your curiosity, I am a Pakistani first ( like the topic of this thread), my family has had numerous intermarriages across ethnic groups, and I am a product of one of those unions . I taught myself a smattering of a few languages but my mother tongue is Urdu which I love and adore.
Should be enough. Right?

Since when have modern day Pakistanis been of indian origin?.........................Because their ancestors along with those of modern day indians were ruled by the British during the Raj?????????????...................because both were a part of the British Empire???????????????..............................in that case the australians, canadians, new zealanders, nigerians, kenyans and ghanians are all also of indian origin...............................

united india = British Raj (1853 to 1947)...............................

 

[Baibars_1260]

Since when have modern day Pakistanis been of indian origin?.........................Because their ancestors along with those of modern day indians were ruled by the British during the Raj?????????????...................because both were a part of the British Empire???????????????..............................in that case the australians, canadians, new zealanders, nigerians, kenyans and ghanians are all also of indian origin...............................

united india = British Raj (1853 to 1947)...............................

So please explain what you mean by "indian origin " ( and you used that term).

You just said "since when have modern say Pakistanis been of Indian origin ". So you basically answered the question for me .

" Are you of Indian origin yourself? "

Now why you asked that question in the first place is what I don't understand, but let's put that aside.
My second request to you, please concentrate on defining Pakistani Nationalism to the Ummah crowd.

P.S. If you type better and use less emojis it is easier to read your posts

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So please explain what you mean by "indian origin " ( and you used that term).

You just said "since when have modern say Pakistanis been of Indian origin ". So you basically answered the question for me .



Now why you asked that question in the first place is what I don't understand, but let's put that aside.
My second request to you, please concentrate on defining Pakistani Nationalism to the Ummah crowd.

P.S. If you type better and use less emojis it is easier to read your posts

Are you an indian Muslim? You seem to have some sort of affiliation with them.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Are you an indian Muslim? You seem to have some sort of affiliation with them.

Are you a Martian Muslim?
You seem to have some sort of affiliation with Martians.

The Bangladeshis think I am a Bengali Hindu. Check my posts on the Bangladeshi forums

Take your pick.

If I was an Indian Muslim I wouldn't know what the kalma e shahada is would I ? Or for that matter know what a "Jugni" is?
Both you and I know that Indian Muslims are not really Muslims.
Only Iranians and Afghans are real
Muslims apart from Pakistanis.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Are you a Martian Muslim?
You seem to have some sort of affiliation with Martians.

The Bangladeshis think I am a Bengali Hindu. Check my posts on the Bangladeshi forums

Take your pick.

If I was an Indian Muslim I wouldn't know what the kalma e shahada is would I ? Or for that matter know what a "Jugni" is?

You seem vociferous in your defence of indian so called "Muslims".