Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

No new system deal has been signed, the C-130 upgrade deal was completed during PTI tenure and the Belgium buy was also looked at, verified and cleared during PTI tenure. The notification is fairly clear on what it is meant for.

The statement says that this specific F-16 program is also a consolidation of upcoming programs. So, instead of seeing a bunch of $50-75 M releases, the PAF and Pentagon put them all into one program. I think this will likely cover the next 5-7 years.

 

[MastanKhan]

There were rumours that uncle sam has allowed pakistan to procure used c130s and f16 earlier this yr when IK left.. So we are seeing that quietly but surely materialize

I bet we will get some f16 a/b with falcon kits
500m isnt just for 13 jordanian aircarfts or already MLUed f16s

Hi,

Really---. Sir, this is not a car dealership where you can walk in and drive out with the car.

These deals take a year or 2 in the making.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Maybe i am reading too much into it but $450 million seems high for just the sustainment program.

A lot of goodies are coming.

Avionics will be comparable to F-35.

 

[Yasser76]

No big deal, just usual sustainment and support you would expect for a fleet our size, it does however make a possible "V" buy more likely in the future of we think a $0.5Billion investment in the fleet is worth it. Imagine how many JF-17s or J-20Cs that could buy....

 

[Basel]

A lot of goodies are coming.

Avionics will be comparable to F-35.

Source please as this is big statement.
Also that means more capable bird then F-16V which seems not possible.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I told you guys years ago---.

The J-10CP has done the magic---. Some will not accept but the J10-CP is an extremely potent 4.5 gen aircraft.

Now the Paf has gone out of the hands of the US---. The americans are going to fight tooth and nail to get them back.

American divorces are ruthless and brutal for both the sides---. There is no winner in the end.

 

[MIRauf]

Hi,

......

American divorces are ruthless and brutal for both the sides---. There is no winner in the end.

"The War of the Roses"

 

[imadul]

RCO price quiet lucrative for armed forces.
$450 million for f-16 fleet suppprt, no new equipment though.
Similarly LHTEC T800 turboshaft for T129 ATAK will be unembargoed.

Training in US shall resume.
Army shall be happy.
All is well.

 

[Path-Finder]

The Viper "curse" that has been successful over and over, especially at keeping the eastern neighbour's mediocre air force and naval air arm at bay.

and at the cost of global humiliation!

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Source please as this is big statement.
Also that means more capable bird then F-16V which seems not possible.

F-16V is no longer the most capable F-16.

We are getting the following major upgrades as part of the package

1) Engine upgrades upto 12000 hours
2) An AESA radar that can scan in a 360-degree sphere - horizontal, vertical and diagonal vectors to track up to 20-targets at any time
3) Infrared Search and Track (IRST) that can track multiple targets at once and operate in an electromagnetic warfare environment

 

[ziaulislam]

Hi,

Really---. Sir, this is not a car dealership where you can walk in and drive out with the car.

These deals take a year or 2 in the making.

I'm just saying I said these are coming earlier this yr ..

 

[Signalian]

The statement says that this specific F-16 program is also a consolidation of upcoming programs. So, instead of seeing a bunch of $50-75 M releases, the PAF and Pentagon put them all into one program. I think this will likely cover the next 5-7 years.

The F-16 sustainment program report mentions - ongoing counter-terrorism efforts and in preparation for future contingency operations.

What does that mean to you ?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The F-16 sustainment program report mentions - ongoing counter-terrorism efforts and in preparation for future contingency operations.

What does that mean to you ?

It's probably just a statement the State Department and DoD put in to help ensure the deal gets through Congress. They're saying, "hey, we need to keep these F-16s serviceable or else Pakistan will lose the ability to support COIN/CT."

That said, I do think the PAF will try getting the F-16V upgrade for the 18 Block-52+. Not only are these newer airframes, but LM has a SLEP on the market that can extend the lives of these aircraft to 13-14,000 hours. Even if the PAF can't add more new F-16s, upgrading the 18 Block-52+ would at least give us a terrific DACT asset to train our JF-17 and J-10CE pilots.

 

[Sinnerman108]

It's probably just a statement the State Department and DoD put in to help ensure the deal gets through Congress. They're saying, "hey, we need to keep these F-16s serviceable or else Pakistan will lose the ability to support COIN/CT."

That said, I do think the PAF will try getting the F-16V upgrade for the 18 Block-52+. Not only are these newer airframes, but LM has a SLEP on the market that can extend the lives of these aircraft to 13-14,000 hours. Even if the PAF can't add more new F-16s, upgrading the 18 Block-52+ would at least give us a terrific DACT asset to train our JF-17 and J-10CE pilots.

Here is the actual statement, and reading between the lines,
it seems this program is a means to ensure US retains it's leverage and is capable
of denying the foothold Russia sought, or China is building.

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The USD 450 million foreign military sale to Pakistan participation in F-16 Aircraft Structural Integrity Programme, electronic combat international security assistance programme, international engine management programme, engine component improvement programme, and other technical coordination groups; aircraft and engine hardware and software modifications and support and aircraft and engine spare repair/return parts.

The Pentagon said this proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by allowing Pakistan to retain interoperability with US and partner forces in ongoing counterterrorism efforts and in preparation for future contingency operations.

“The proposed sale will continue the sustainment of Pakistan's F-16 fleet, which greatly improves Pakistan's ability to support counterterrorism operations through its robust air-to-ground capability. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing these articles and services into its armed forces,” it said.

 

[Vapnope]

That said, I do think the PAF will try getting the F-16V upgrade for the 18 Block-52+.

There you said it