Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[WiderMan]

Doesn't stop them from night flying without NVG.

It does not, neither did I mean to imply that. It's simply a case of quelling one's curiosity if you will.

 

[MastanKhan]

So you can say whatever you like about anyone you like but if someone calls you out its suddenly bad manners??
There was nothing in my post that was bad manners. On the other hand one only has to go through your posts on the forum to know what bad manners actually means.
I am beginning to understand why many people have you on their ignore list.

The only person on my ignore list is one without manners---porfane and vulgar.

How would I get to know my enemy if I put them on my ignore list---. How would I know my short comings if I put critics on my ignore list---.

I told you---these manners you learn from home---. This IGNORE list---is also very " pakistani " in nature---. Inzi says---I don't read what my critics say---Person A says I don't listen to my critics---person B says I don't listen to my critics---and guess what---they never fix their mistakes---.

In the US---just the opposite---who is your best buddy---who rips your heart out and tears you apart for your fck ups---.

I have asked you guys many a times---where does the Paf goes to learn about tactics strategies management planning---what secret organization teaches the that---.

There is none---all books---lectures and literature that is availabe to them is availabke to me in one form or other---and if you look for it---you will also find it---.

Young man---I have lived your age---I also had my heroes in the blue uniform---and they were second only to the almighty---till I saw their different face---.

See---the news out here is the order to take them on came 15-16 seconds too late---.

Which means the missile launch was the right decision---but it did not proceed because the enemy ran away---.

This proves that there was indecision and cowardice at some level of heirarchy---.

Which also means that MMAlam's claim of " pilot is incharge " of the sortie did not hold true---this time they were not---.

In their pre planning they had not taken that into consideration---.

This strike was a massive failure in reality with what opportunity was being presented to pak air force---.

Israeli pilots would not have let the enemy escape---. The indians did not either---remember the Atlantique---.

@araz reminds me of Prime minister of the Kingdom of Baghdad---at the time of the MONGOL invasion---. That man convinced the king that there was no fear of war---released the army---did not pay them salaries---he thought with his silver tongue he would convince the mongol Khan---little did he know about the enemy---.

And little do you know about the current day indian enemy---.

 

[Talon]

 

[Haris Ali2140]

What are these and what are they used for???

 

[Raider 21]

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What are these and what are they used for???

Aerodynamic design and stability.

 

[WiderMan]

Shahbaz One.

 

[Dreamer.]

yes i know but friend, i was on many fronts and talking from experience; my reaction would be to throw it at them as these situations dont occur; it was i guess may be a measured response but it was needed for R&D work

I can understand and respect that you have experience and your analysis is based on that. But that said, you do not know what the situation on the ground (or you can say in the air) was. What exactly was actually possible and what was not, what the threat level/cosequence analyses were, and how much of the information we have is accurate and how much is fog of war/propaganda etc. SO one can analyse but has to be measured and cautious in making judgements. That was my point.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

@The Eagle @waz @Dubious
Thread is ready to be polluted. Keep an eye on it.

 

[Dreamer.]

The only person on my ignore list is one without manners---porfane and vulgar.

How would I get to know my enemy if I put them on my ignore list---. How would I know my short comings if I put critics on my ignore list---.

I told you---these manners you learn from home---. This IGNORE list---is also very " pakistani " in nature---. Inzi says---I don't read what my critics say---Person A says I don't listen to my critics---person B says I don't listen to my critics---and guess what---they never fix their mistakes---.

In the US---just the opposite---who is your best buddy---who rips your heart out and tears you apart for your fck ups---.

I have asked you guys many a times---where does the Paf goes to learn about tactics strategies management planning---what secret organization teaches the that---.

There is none---all books---lectures and literature that is availabe to them is availabke to me in one form or other---and if you look for it---you will also find it---.

Young man---I have lived your age---I also had my heroes in the blue uniform---and they were second only to the almighty---till I saw their different face---.

See---the news out here is the order to take them on came 15-16 seconds too late---.

Which means the missile launch was the right decision---but it did not proceed because the enemy ran away---.

This proves that there was indecision and cowardice at some level of heirarchy---.

Which also means that MMAlam's claim of " pilot is incharge " of the sortie did not hold true---this time they were not---.

In their pre planning they had not taken that into consideration---.

This strike was a massive failure in reality with what opportunity was being presented to pak air force---.

Israeli pilots would not have let the enemy escape---. The indians did not either---remember the Atlantique---.

@araz reminds me of Prime minister of the Kingdom of Baghdad---at the time of the MONGOL invasion---. That man convinced the king that there was no fear of war---released the army---did not pay them salaries---he thought with his silver tongue he would convince the mongol Khan---little did he know about the enemy---.

And little do you know about the current day indian enemy---.

All of the above is just nonsense mumbo-jumbo unless you can show and prove where I used bad manners which is what you accused me of, whereas the truth is that you are the one guilty of that. And therefore by your own logic you are well deserving of being on ignore lists and not fit for any attention let alone discussion.
So the onus is on you to show that.

 

[WiderMan]

F-16s are nothing in front of su-30

Begone

 

[Dreamer.]

No need to worry about his comments on F-16 vs Su-30. Let him believe whatever he wants.
The point made by Mangus Ortes Novem is worthy of attention though.

 

[Nasr]

F-16s are nothing in front of su-30

Sure, if the Su-30s were Russian Aerospace Force's and the Russian combat pilots were operating them. But Indian Air Force is pathetic to it's core. So kindly refrain from commenting air combat, when you know nothing of it.

 

[StormBreaker]

Kindly, refrain from nonsense!



@WebMaster @The Eagle @HRK @Dubious @Irfan Baloch @Arsalan Paks, I find the signature in this posters attempt to insult OurLand unacceptable...

How come this one is not enjoying permanenet holidays from Pakistan Defence Forum?

Encouraging differing opinions is one thing but allowing the Anti Pakistan space is another. I am certain... you shall do The Right Thing

Update: After this post the said poster has changed its signature... the matter still stands @waz

@Pakhtoon yum @Verve @ps3linux @Sine Nomine @DESERT FIGHTER @Great Janjua @Areesh @RIWWIR @StormBreaker @ghazi52 @Zibago @Windjammer @masterchief_mirza @aliyusuf @Counter-Errorist

@The Eagle if you would be so kind to press the flush button so that this balochistan ka baap goes back to the shithole he crumbled out from

Sure, if the Su-30s were Russian Aerospace Force's and the Russian combat pilots were operating them. But Indian Air Force is pathetic to it's core. So kindly refrain from commenting air combat, when you know nothing of it.

You don’t need to reply every other poop. Just leave them and press the flush button

Why even allow such people on the forum ?

 

[denel]

I can understand and respect that you have experience and your analysis is based on that. But that said, you do not know what the situation on the ground (or you can say in the air) was. What exactly was actually possible and what was not, what the threat level/cosequence analyses were, and how much of the information we have is accurate and how much is fog of war/propaganda etc. SO one can analyse but has to be measured and cautious in making judgements. That was my point.

yes of course; as an EW/ELINT specialist, i would be very interested with entire recording of all the rf spectrum; a lot of what is said open in public domain should be taken with a pinch of salt .. that is all.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Also this FacistTroll is insulting Christians too... King Maffia Friend... decode it ... anyhow, some very respected posters like Khafee here get banned for defending Islam while these GagnuFacists get a free ride... to insult other people's religion... @PakSword

I strongly object to insulting anyone's religion. Period!!!

Mercifully it appears he has indeed now been flushed back to the primordial soup to mingle with other species of a similar neural capacity.