Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Signalian]

fact 1: congress is hostile to pakistan and thus will not allow FMF any more
facts 2: you mentioned USA want a parity in indo--pak scenrio which is wrong(this started the discussion)
fact 3: CSF fund is dead, if resumed will need approval from congress which again is going to be difficult
fact 4: india is investing heavily in lobbying in USA which pakistan ignores
fact 5: afghan leverage that pakistan has is strong but USA has a stronger IMF leverage
Fact 6: most pakistanis live in delusions of early 2000s and 1970s that USA favours pakistan, nothing can be far from the turth


best case scenario USA allows full pay f16s(too expensive not worth it anymore, the reason why PAF walked from B52) or used f16s via EDA(less likley, as even israel sales were blocked)

Apart from your point 1, all other points are wrong. Point 3 is debatable.

 

[ziaulislam]

Apart from your point 1, all other points are wrong. Point 3 is debatable.

the fact that Pakistan denies point 4 exists, is the bases of all troubles we are in..and talking to you proves it..

 

[Signalian]

the fact that Pakistan denies point 4 exists, is the bases of all troubles we are in..and talking to you proves it..

I agree to disagree with you.

 

[SABRE]

fact 1: congress is hostile to pakistan and thus will not allow FMF any more
facts 2: you mentioned USA want a parity in indo--pak scenrio which is wrong(this started the discussion)
fact 3: CSF fund is dead, if resumed will need approval from congress which again is going to be difficult
fact 4: india is investing heavily in lobbying in USA which pakistan ignores
fact 5: afghan leverage that pakistan has is strong but USA has a stronger IMF leverage
Fact 6: most pakistanis live in delusions of early 2000s and 1970s that USA favours pakistan, nothing can be far from the turth


best case scenario USA allows full pay f16s(too expensive not worth it anymore, the reason why PAF walked from B52) or used f16s via EDA(less likley, as even israel sales were blocked)

I for one agree with much of the stuff you have written and the general crux of it.

1. US Congress is indeed hostile towards Pakistan. They have been since the 1990s. But the problem is not just the Congress but the think-tanks, academics, staffers, advisors, and bureaucrats who feed into their mindset. Lobbyists have made things even worse.

2. The US de-hyphenated its Indo-Pakistan policy a long time ago and instead put Pakistan with Afghanistan (AfPak). Though AfPak has largely been a failure (much like rest of Obama's foreign policy) the US so far continues ahead with the policy. India is the US' "natural ally." Pakistan is a foreign policy problem.

3. CFS is sort of in a coma but I don't see it coming off the vent anytime soon. But it might die in the wake of US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

4. Absolutely

5. Definitely

6. Replace the word "favor" with "need." We have misplaced belief that the US "needs" us. They might dump us once they withdraw from Afghanistan, leaving us to fend for ourselves in the possible Afghan civil war/conflict in the aftermath of their withdrawal. We seem to have had the same belief in the 1980s-1990s. Look what happened after the Soviet withdrawal.

Our relations with the Chinese and the Russians are also not sitting well with D.C. Generally they wouldn't have any problem with that but the way we have been marketing our relationship with these two countries we make it sound like as an attempt to displace American influence in the region. This is really shoddy policymaking and presentation.

 

[denel]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...an-russia-france.434792/page-17#post-11409031


how is Taiwan related to this scenario?

If it transpires then plus AESA from TAI, it makes sense to pursue.

 

[mshan44]

 

[Tamiyah]

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Doesn't it looks a little yellowish..?

 

[mshan44]

 

[Talon]

Blk 52 from #5 Falcons

 

[Trailer23]

For the F-16 fanboys...

 

[TsAr]

Blk 52 from #5 Falcons

View attachment 559452

any link to the pic available

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We really need to come out of this Western carrot and stick addiction.

Need to make our own completely.
Like Turkey is trying.

 

[Talon]

any link to the pic available

I took it from a closed Facebook group.Search for Plane Spotters Pakistan Forum.

 

[Trailer23]

We really need to come out of this Western carrot and stick addiction.

Need to make our own completely.
Like Turkey is trying.

Turkey's economy has recently taken a hit, otherwise they were booming for years. Were/still are part of NATO.

We have corrupt Politicians, India, Afghanistan, Poverty, Water issues, Power issues, lousy economy, no funds...and the list goes on.

Yeah, it is an addiction - because its proven itself for 4 decades. And trust me, it'll be decades before we are able to produce one by ourselves without the assistance for another party.

Reality is tough to accept. Reality is...: that we're a Developing Nation - which is just a nice term for a 3rd World Nation.

 

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