Americans are a lot more resilient then people give them credit for.
Wrong!! Americans today, are nothing like the Americans of the 1800s. Back when freedom and justice actually meant something. Back when there still a code of honor, integrity and
It seems your logic works well when you mentioned a RAM coating tech along with names of some Eastern turbofan engines to claim Eastern aircrafts “catched” US in terms of superiority/generation. How logical is that? Turkey has an active program developing a 27000lbf turbofan engine for stealth TF-X program and having a matured stealth tech working for mid section of F35 in paralel to designing of own stealth fighter jet. When those programs finished, Should we able to claim Turkey “catched” US in aircraft technology ? Not likely. It is not that simple...but I just wanted to know It is same Russia you talk above which lacks technologically behind in AESA and Optic technologies? That’s why they are struggling to develop own first equivalents today ( performing superior (?) is a big question), while US ruling the World in those fields since decades. It is needed to mention difficulties Russia facing to develop a stealth aircraft since tens of years ? (India agreed to exit Russian multinational fighter program cause of many voiced concern), while US has mastered the stealth fighter technology with bomber, air superiority and ground suppression fighters since 30-40 years. I think It is important to talk about VTOL and STOVL technology that No country could come close to their technologies. What China introduced as thrust vector nozzle today has been applied to US F16 aircrafts by early 1990’s. US do not even consider dogfights as a serious maneouvring tactics to apply a similar TVC on their new designed aircrafts but They use similar TVC technology on AA missiles to convert them a deadly 360 degree maneouvrable while HMDS enable pilots to locks on enemy fighters at any position whether It stays inside of airborne radar coverage or not so they don’t need to stress aircraft with making sharp maneouvrings to defeat them. Besides, If China was such an advanced state technologically in subcomponent level, Pakistan would have never seeked/favored any Western components/sensors for Chinese designed fighters. I am in no position to defend US technological superiority in here since they issue sanctions to my country Although Turkey invested almost 1 billion $ to F35 program but It must be a mentally blind not to consider all those reality on the table to talk about superiority/inferiority things. Thanks God that China and Russia like states are not ruled by “la la land” policies but realistic mindset not to drive the World into a disaster with superiority complexes, when they revealed a flying fighter.
Alright, maybe there is a miscommunication here, language barrier or perhaps I am not making myself clear enough when I say this. But I never said that anything to the tune of Russian or Chinese being superior to Americans on aircraft engine technology.
What I did say was that in
"some areas," both Russia and China have
"caught up" with America in terms of both technology and in
"some respects" have surpassed America in terms of offensive capability. For example, America has been trying to develop hypersonic capability for years, yet it has zero operational hypersonic weapons nor platforms to show for it. Whereas Russia has not only successfully developed hypersonic weapons, but is also beginning to field operational
"Avanguard" HGVs (Hypersonic Glide Vehicle) &
"Kinzhal" ALHMs (Air Lauched Hypersonic Missile). That is factual, not some made up story in a hollywood fantasy movie.
When you speak of Russia, and claim that they lag behind the U.S in terms of technology. It seems a tad disingenuous to your own intelligence. Simply because Russia has in the past led America in many innovative aircraft technologies. Like the fielding of operational HMCS (Helmet Mounted Cuing System) with HOBS (High Off Bore Sight) WVR missiles, on their MiG-29s and Su-27s. America had NOTHING like that on their aircraft back then, and it wasn't until the last decade, that it finally introduced JHMCS & AIM-9X on F-16s, F/A-18s & F-15s. The fact that F-22s have just recently received the same JHMCS/AIM-9X tech, says a lot for the
"oh so great and benevolent America". Whereas Russia had introduced this technology decades ago. Same as TVC tech on engines, Russia introduced this tech decades before America did it for the first time on F-22s.
So please don't try to argue the case that America is unsurpassable, too invincible to be overtaken by Russia or China. The only reason why Russia has been behind in fielding operational stealth jets, destroyers or other tech, is not because it doesn't have the technology. Rather because it "
PRIORITIZED" on what was far more important in strategic terms, when faced with a very active effort by America to choke Russia's rise to being a powerhouse. Consistent sanctions, active effort to drive down the oil prices, threatening Europe to not buy Natural Gas from Russia, meddling in Ukraine, funding ISIS terrorist in Syria (an aim to cheat Russia out of its military base in Tartus, Syria), western media whining like a toddler accusing Russia of meddling in US elections in order to slap on more sanctions. All of these things are precisely why Russia
CHOSE prioritize on strategic game changing weapons, as oppose to pour all of its money (while oil prices declined and sanctions imposed) on stealth aircraft development.
So let me break this down for you in as simple words as I can, in order for you to fully understand the ground reality .... An F-22 Raptor is worthless, when NORAD detects multiple Nuclear Hypersonic Glide Vehicles descending on continental United States, maneuvering through the atmosphere, at
Mach 20 speed.
This is the part where Russia says, "Check!" Using the term from the chess game. And America scrambles for a response, which as it stands, is actually happening now.
Also, that reference where you say that America doesn't even consider dog fights anymore, is a misnomer. As USAF has in its curriculum, BFM (Basic Fighter Maneuvers) which teaches pilots exactly that. And America mastering stealth accounts for squat, when it only manufactures 187 Raptors. The last time in history America had foregone WVR combat, it paid a heavy price for it in Vietnam. So much so, that the F-4 Phantoms, had to be fitted with external cannon in order to compensate for the lack of any, when the aircraft was designed. That flaw, was due to the same thinking you have mentioned above.
Su-57 Frazors have
6 AESA radars incorporated into it. The Su-35 Flanker-Es have Irbis-E which is a hybrid radar designed specifically to detect low to very low observable stealth aircraft. Electro Optics and IRST have been pioneered by Russia, who lead in the technology from the front for decades.
It was not the Americans, rather the Israelis who pioneered TVC on their Python missiles. The first American TVC AAM was the AIM-9X, which came out in the past decade or so, whereas other countries have been fielding such missiles for decades.
Lastly, my posts have been directed at the very mindset that my country (Pakistan) has about Western technology. Pakistan has suffered a great deal due to its handicap of Western technology. Precisely because America uses this as leverage against Pakistan and countless other countries who have bought American military hardware. My aim is to shed light on the fact that American technology is NOT the final answer to everything. China has proven this time and time again and so has Russia. This habitual trait needs to be eradicated, because when it has been, Pakistan has benefited from it. The likes of JF-17 Thunders would have never become a reality, if Pakistan was still fixated on Western technology. Which is why, JF-17 Thunders are powered by Russian engines and Chinese avionics, instead of Western ones. Thank God that sensibility prevailed over the dogma that none can match western technology. Because that ship has sailed, and the myth is blown away.
Mark my words, American technology is not the answer for those nations who exercize their right to independent foreign policy. Because either you are an independent country, or you are a vassal state of the Zionist States of America, period!!!
