Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Basel]

And they did not go for it!!!Reason. Look the point still stands the US will not offer you something that is not present in the region. The prospect of AESA was there even with the 52s that we ought and we did not go for it on account of US reluctance. Would that have changed? You say yes and I say No -@@@@ lets wait and find out.
@Mastan Khan.
I dont deny the utility but the feasibility of AESA from US. If we get it from China/via Selex it might make the argument a better one for the Congress to swallow. But in its current iteration I think it will be a struggle. Lets wait and see.
Araz

If they did not go for it then why Northrop Gurmman delivered first Radar to Lockheed Martin for upgrade program??

Northrop Grumman delivers first EMD APG-83 radar - AMD – Aerospace Manufacturing and Design

 

[araz]

Hi,

Getting it might be tougher---but the aesa is potent---a force multiplier.

Nobody denies the need and the effectiveness of AESA. I have played the devils advocate to make people see the difficulties involved in the procurement. Lets wait and see.
Araz

 

[ziaulislam]

i still dont understand why people are bringing economy in SABR/AESA induction with NEWER f-16.
if you can pay 1.3 billion $ for brand new F-1652, you can Pay 100 million or more to get the SABR on them.

yes it woud make sense not to go for it, if you are going for second hand F-16s

 

[Paksanity]

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Thanks for sharing wonderful pictures. Good to see E-7T put to work. NATO E-3 are also participating or E-7T s are doing all the job?

For a moment I thought Eurofighter is rolling on rooftop...lol

 

[Donatello]

what if told you india is already testing a new version of LCA with indian made AESA + wants or is in process of exploring possibility of fitting the same AESA in its second line of fighter planes (jags,Mig29,M2k) while a proto type of MKI with AESA radar and EW suite and self protection jammers is already in testing in russia

SO basically, it is all in the future, just like getting the Rafale.
Hmm, i am sorry, but the way your air force has procured equipment and the drama it created, one cannot simply take anything for a serious talk.
And India is already testing a new version of LCA? Dayem, when did they test the initial version properly?

 

[truthseeker2010]

this looks like EF is standing on the roof of the building..... Lol

 

[Neptune]

Thanks for sharing wonderful pictures. Good to see E-7T put to work. NATO E-3 are also participating or E-7T s are doing all the job?

For a moment I thought Eurofighter is rolling on rooftop...lol

Your welcome. Both have participated. E-3A is stationed in Konya too. She played the AWACS of Blue Team. But I assume E-7Ts were at the disposal of 132. "Hançer" FİLO which was the squadron played as the Red Team during the exercise.

 

[GURU DUTT]

SO basically, it is all in the future, just like getting the Rafale.
Hmm, i am sorry, but the way your air force has procured equipment and the drama it created, one cannot simply take anything for a serious talk.
And India is already testing a new version of LCA? Dayem, when did they test the initial version properly?

they(HAL/ARDE) had been testing at least 8 prototypes of LCA in three diffrent version since 2001 and this AESA oneisan older prtotype now fitted with indian made AESA "UTTAM" radar and AESA based EW suite and new version of self protection jammers as per new dictatfrom PMO and DM MOD has put this programme on highest priorty list even the existing EL-2032M MMR radar is made better with new software inputs and its search and track range is extended firther which earlier was 80 KM for 2 square meter RCS target +LCA is already intigrated with DASH HMDS formore than 90 degree off boresight +Lightning 3 LDP all types of LGBs, PGMs ,Python4/5 ,Derby and now is in process getting intigrated with latest BVR version of Derby +its already been inducted in IAF and FOC iss alted for dec 2015 but still im sure you will make fun of LCA ....lagge raho

 

[Bossman]

they(HAL/ARDE) had been testing at least 8 prototypes of LCA in three diffrent version since 2001 and this AESA oneisan older prtotype now fitted with indian made AESA "UTTAM" radar and AESA based EW suite and new version of self protection jammers as per new dictatfrom PMO and DM MOD has put this programme on highest priorty list even the existing EL-2032M MMR radar is made better with new software inputs and its search and track range is extended firther which earlier was 80 KM for 2 square meter RCS target +LCA is already intigrated with DASH HMDS formore than 90 degree off boresight +Lightning 3 LDP all types of LGBs, PGMs ,Python4/5 ,Derby and now is in process getting intigrated with latest BVR version of Derby +its already been inducted in IAF and FOC iss alted for dec 2015 but still im sure you will make fun of LCA ....lagge raho

You don't have to convince people on this forum, you have to convince IAF. IAF doesn't seem to share your or HAL's enthusiasm for the LCA.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You don't have to convince people on this forum, you have to convince IAF. IAF doesn't seem to share your or HAL's enthusiasm for the LCA.

well saaeen ji thing was /is corruption in top brass of MOD and IAF who prefferred "foreign maal"for which they got "kickbacks"and free foriegn holidays "with family" for various fictitous reasons now with a local built fighter they had do miss all that so they tried every trick in the book to scutall LCA project by contantlli changing the goal posts

but this prooved to be a blessing in disguise for LCA which started as a cheap replacement for Mig 21 for point defence morphed into worlds most comapct , lightest multirole fighter with very less RCS deu to its design and all composite skin (45% + composites in its total body mass )

so now with IN betting heavily on Naval LCA even IAF is finding it pretty good option + both PMO & MOD led by owr new DM have given IAF "an offer they cant refuse"

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

this looks like EF is standing on the roof of the building..... Lol

or on the Ski-jump .....

 

[Donatello]

they(HAL/ARDE) had been testing at least 8 prototypes of LCA in three diffrent version since 2001 and this AESA oneisan older prtotype now fitted with indian made AESA "UTTAM" radar and AESA based EW suite and new version of self protection jammers as per new dictatfrom PMO and DM MOD has put this programme on highest priorty list even the existing EL-2032M MMR radar is made better with new software inputs and its search and track range is extended firther which earlier was 80 KM for 2 square meter RCS target +LCA is already intigrated with DASH HMDS formore than 90 degree off boresight +Lightning 3 LDP all types of LGBs, PGMs ,Python4/5 ,Derby and now is in process getting intigrated with latest BVR version of Derby +its already been inducted in IAF and FOC iss alted for dec 2015 but still im sure you will make fun of LCA ....lagge raho

Oh wow, good for you......is it still indigenous?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Oh wow, good for you......is it still indigenous?

yes sir it is as its an indian design with american engine and israeli and french avioniks & wepon systems even more indegenous to india than what JF-17 is to Pakistan

 

[denel]

yes sir it is as its an indian design with american engine and israeli and french avioniks & wepon systems even more indegenous to india than what JF-17 is to Pakistan

well pointed. even car makers source parts of part manufacturers

 

[Donatello]

yes sir it is as its an indian design with american engine and israeli and french avioniks & wepon systems even more indegenous to india than what JF-17 is to Pakistan

Except, JF-17 has been flying and vowing crowds around the world, meanwhile IAF is having second thoughts about LCA. Wonder what may be the cause?