Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[blain2]

will it be covered with STAR upgrade????

No the purpose of the MLU is upgrade of avionics and weapons capability. It has nothing to do with propulsion and PAF will continue to fly their MLU F-16s on the existing engines which will be overhauled.

 

[ironman]

"On 28 June 2006, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification kits as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $1.3 billion"
http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36...stan_06-10.pdf

According to this document the entire project value quoted $1.3 billion and current signed is only $75 million. So anybody can confirm what are missing from the proposed one. I really doubt about the AN/APG-68(V)9 radar, APG-68(V) itself costs $1.2 million( Link: Recent Contracts).

 

[blain2]

The $75 million is the cost of the contract for the Turks to carry out integration/MLU work. The $1.3 billion is the cost of all the upgrade kits. PAF have yet to exercise the full $1.3 billion as currently only less than 50 aircraft will undergo MLU/FalconSTAR upgrades.

 

[MZUBAIR]

I have only one question?

When weill Pakistan get 18 F-16 Block 52, from USA.
There is no news abt the delivery progress, so it might be a problem for Pakistan.

 

[mean_bird]

we be we have to eat one or two for spar parts! cant this be a possibility! after all they are a very old aircraft now and will be usefull only after spendings made on it in form of MLU and the STAR upgrad so may be we want to spare one or two for the reason of spare parts!

what do you think!

regards!

Well the 32 planes are after the crashes and cannibalization. My guess is that some of them are too old to undergo STAR upgrade. Remember that the STAR upgrade is a structural upgrade and not complete rebuilding of a new plane.

When a plane is designed for 4K hrs life, some of the components expiry time is 4k hrs while some can go longer. In a Structural upgrade, you examine each part to see how much longer it can be used for and replace the worn out ones. But for some planes, the sheer number of parts that would need replacement would be too much to economically carry out a structural upgrade. If you detect faults and cracks in airframe that cannot be easily replaced/repaired, your plane will not undergo the upgrade.

I think some of our existing F-16s are simply too old to undergo that.

I have only one question?

When weill Pakistan get 18 F-16 Block 52, from USA.
There is no news abt the delivery progress, so it might be a problem for Pakistan.

You did not read the pdf file nor the link I provided on the previous page, did you?

In short, they will be rolled out starting in batches of 4 from june 2010 onwards till 2011. Actual delivery dates may vary from those listed by couple of months accounting for flight testing and logistics of transporting them.

 

[Arsalan]

Well the 32 planes are after the crashes and cannibalization. My guess is that some of them are too old to undergo STAR upgrade. Remember that the STAR upgrade is a structural upgrade and not complete rebuilding of a new plane.

When a plane is designed for 4K hrs life, some of the components expiry time is 4k hrs while some can go longer. In a Structural upgrade, you examine each part to see how much longer it can be used for and replace the worn out ones. But for some planes, the sheer number of parts that would need replacement would be too much to economically carry out a structural upgrade. If you detect faults and cracks in airframe that cannot be easily replaced/repaired, your plane will not undergo the upgrade.

I think some of our existing F-16s are simply too old to undergo that.

yes this may well be the case, it is a possibility!! i know that 32 is the number of planes thatwe have after crashes and all that but my guess was that perhaps we want to spare one or two more for this cannibalization,, any how it was just a guess and both case are possible, at the moment the thing which is more important is that these MKU are done with in the time frame and some where in 2011 so that the STAR upgrades can be started and we get a plane thatcan fly high for us for a few more years! in the present conditions sadly our F16 were just sitting duck for any of our enemies plane!

regards!

 

[Malik Usman]

Hi All !

I have heard that the US.. F-22 Raptor has adopted new technology recently that it can jam the electronics system of any other fighters even F-16's and control over that fighter...
How much is reality in this......If yes then are Pakistan's F-16 are under threat.

 

[mean_bird]

Hi All !

I have heard that the US.. F-22 Raptor has adopted new technology recently that it can jam the electronics system of any other fighters even F-16's and control over that fighter...
How much is reality in this......If yes then are Pakistan's F-16 are under threat.

Even if it cannot jam the electronics...against the F-22 everyone else is under threat

 

[blain2]

Well the 32 planes are after the crashes and cannibalization. My guess is that some of them are too old to undergo STAR upgrade. Remember that the STAR upgrade is a structural upgrade and not complete rebuilding of a new plane.

When a plane is designed for 4K hrs life, some of the components expiry time is 4k hrs while some can go longer. In a Structural upgrade, you examine each part to see how much longer it can be used for and replace the worn out ones. But for some planes, the sheer number of parts that would need replacement would be too much to economically carry out a structural upgrade. If you detect faults and cracks in airframe that cannot be easily replaced/repaired, your plane will not undergo the upgrade.

I think some of our existing F-16s are simply too old to undergo that.



You did not read the pdf file nor the link I provided on the previous page, did you?

In short, they will be rolled out starting in batches of 4 from june 2010 onwards till 2011. Actual delivery dates may vary from those listed by couple of months accounting for flight testing and logistics of transporting them.

PAF will recover all of the original 32 aircraft after the MLU/FalconSTAR upgrades.

 

[Arsalan]

PAF will recover all of the original 32 aircraft after the MLU/FalconSTAR upgrades.

ok if this is the case then all the situation get cleared. mean_bird suggested that we are buying 35 kit so are we planneing to retire some of F16, it is intresting that we have a 32 plans to get MLU so this news sort it out!

thankyou sir!
regards!

 

[mean_bird]

We have 32 +14 = 46 F-16s with us and we are buying 35 MLU kits.

Although the news suggests that more MLU kits could be bought, but I haven't heard anything of it yet.

 

[jalip]

4 of them are in US does their kits includes in 35 ?

 

[jalip]

Hi All !

I have heard that the US.. F-22 Raptor has adopted new technology recently that it can jam the electronics system of any other fighters even F-16's and control over that fighter...
How much is reality in this......If yes then are Pakistan's F-16 are under threat.

why u wana fight with F 22

 

[SBD-3]

ya I also heard about it on another forum looks like sort of a jamming pod development
any one with updates on that?

 

[Arsalan]

we wont ever get any such thing so i think it is not wise to discuss it!

infact the truth is that i feel sad when ilisten about such thngs that are flying all around us but are well out of our reach,,, thats relly depressing!!!

regards!