Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[VCheng]

Probably .. the MLU upgrades to the computer via the "tapes" you are probably familiar with.
So unless these missiles run use launch protocols that exactly duplicate the winder.. there will be a "unrecognized device" error.. so to speak.

Exactly. And there will be no errors displayed until necessary.

 

[Najam Khan]

F-16 can launch PL-5 Chinese IR Guided missile without any modification in launching rail or aircraft.
Because its a ditto copy of Sidewinder.

No, such bold steps are not appreciated in air combat.

Using two missiles with similar mechanism does not seem possible, the default values of missiles have to be exactly same, if not system will recognize it as unknown device( most probably it will display Malfunction(MAL) status to that pylon, such a status also comes when weapons are not physically loaded to the station) or it will display wrong messages at in-appropriate moments, F16s MMC/EMC will display wrong/incomplete post launching ques to the pilot. For eg, auto generating 'SHOOT' message when target is out of effective range or not meeting upto the Dynamic Launch zone (DLZ) parameters. Displaying wrong Line of sight (LOS) to the pilot, creating problems at those v.important moments of encounter. Similarly avionics may lost track of target's heading & probability of direction,distance, speed etc resulting a 'miss'....in such a scenario relying on nearest derivative of a missile is nothing less than adding last nail to your coffin!

But Santro suggested that the early A/B models were jailbroken, but may be that was only the analog DTC portion.

Some modifications were made in only specific number of F16s, nuclear capability was attained in similar fashion too.

 

[VCheng]

...................

Some modifications were made in only specific number of F16s, nuclear capability was attained in similar fashion too.

I am aware of the nuclear-strike capable modifications, and their intricacies, limitations and capabilities. This forum is not a place to discuss those.

 

[Chogy]

AIM-9L's were patched into British Sea Harriers in a matter of days before the Falklands conflict.

IR missiles are very simple. All you need is to tap the missile's audio output, the rocket motor firing circuit, and provide power to it while it's on the rail.

Patched AIM-9's killed something like 22 of 24 attempts in the Falklands war.

Radar missiles are another matter entirely.

 

[Najam Khan]

AIM-9L's were patched into British Sea Harriers in a matter of days before the Falklands conflict.

IR missiles are very simple. All you need is to tap the missile's audio output, the rocket motor firing circuit, and provide power to it while it's on the rail.

Patched AIM-9's killed something like 22 of 24 attempts in the Falklands war.

Radar missiles are another matter entirely.

Sir i doubt with F16 such 'plug and play' mechanism is so easy, its avionics & on board computer has strict protocols for such kind of weapon integration, adding some inconsistent weapon will have results similar to the ones explained above.

As far as PL5 is concerned, its integration with F16 is not possible because of the switchology with that missile.

 

[Imran Khan]

which radar is in blk 52????

APG-68(V)9 radar

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

which radar is in blk 52????

APG-68(V)9

 

[TOPGUN]

So is there anymore current news on the option for new 18 vipers more or older vipers ?

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Sir i doubt with F16 such 'plug and play' mechanism is so easy, its avionics & on board computer has strict protocols for such kind of weapon integration, adding some inconsistent weapon will have results similar to the ones explained above.

As far as PL5 is concerned, its integration with F16 is not possible because of the switchology with that missile.

Living example is JF-17 which can fire both missiles through wingtip rail.. as Chogy said it really is simple. but PAF wont need PL-5 on f-16s at the moment because they already have access amount of Aim-9. but in case its not that hard to integrate. heat seekers are like PLUG and PLAY .
Israel introduced several SRAAM missiles to F-16.

 

[air marshal]

More Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B upgrade Kits Ordered
July 30, 2011

* Lockheed Martin has been awarded a new contract to provide an additional ten upgrade kits for Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B Block 15 fighters

LOCKHEED MARTIN was awarded a $42.31 million Foreign Military Sales contract on July 29 through the US Air Force for ten additional Enhanced Modernisation Program kits for Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16A/B Block 15 aircraft.

The order follows on from a previous $325.485 million deal for 35 F-16A/B Block 15 Mid-Life Update (MLU) kits that was awarded to Lockheed Martin on May 21, 2010.

Prior to this, a deal had already been signed on June 29, 2009, with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for installation of the kits on these aircraft.

Pakistani defence officials subsequently confirmed on December 10, 2010, that a final agreement had been signed the previous week for the installation work by TAI.

Work then commenced around two months later, when the PAF sent the first F-16s to TAI’s facility in Ankara for upgrade. Only the first two or three aircraft are being worked on in Ankara, following which the remaining F-16s are being upgraded locally by TAI personnel in Pakistan.

More Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B upgrade Kits Ordered: key.Aero: The Homepage of Aviation

 

[ziaulislam]

this is good news it means we will get hopefully by 2015 around 77 block52 standarad aircrafts...(if america release the 14 sanctioned one)

 

[Imran Khan]

More Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B upgrade Kits Ordered
July 30, 2011

* Lockheed Martin has been awarded a new contract to provide an additional ten upgrade kits for Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B Block 15 fighters

LOCKHEED MARTIN was awarded a $42.31 million Foreign Military Sales contract on July 29 through the US Air Force for ten additional Enhanced Modernisation Program kits for Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16A/B Block 15 aircraft.

The order follows on from a previous $325.485 million deal for 35 F-16A/B Block 15 Mid-Life Update (MLU) kits that was awarded to Lockheed Martin on May 21, 2010.

Prior to this, a deal had already been signed on June 29, 2009, with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for installation of the kits on these aircraft.

Pakistani defence officials subsequently confirmed on December 10, 2010, that a final agreement had been signed the previous week for the installation work by TAI.

Work then commenced around two months later, when the PAF sent the first F-16s to TAI’s facility in Ankara for upgrade. Only the first two or three aircraft are being worked on in Ankara, following which the remaining F-16s are being upgraded locally by TAI personnel in Pakistan.

More Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B upgrade Kits Ordered: key.Aero: The Homepage of Aviation

these kits for 14 f-16 which we get from USAF ? am i right?

 

[epinephrine]

we have currently 63 F-16s.if we get additional 18 c/d then the total will be 81.if we get the 14 which r currently held by us navy then we will be having 95.

 

[Imran Khan]

we have currently 63 F-16s.if we get additional 18 c/d then the total will be 81.if we get the 14 which r currently held by us navy then we will be having 95.

63 and thats it IF is far from us as planet Pluto dear .itS in USA hands .thats mean hard to bring then bring from pluto lolz

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Current US_PAk situation created doubts about delivery of 14 F16 that US promised to give back and there is also uncertainty for further placing an order for optional 18 F16 Block52.See what happens next....?