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QUOTE=BATMAN;642311]I'm sorry to say it but almost in every post you highlight Pakistan economy and Pakistan stealing technology (in covert words) from F-16!! just with a rephrase.
Batman
My friend have i said anything wrong. Pakistani economy is in tatters and your proud production ie JF17 has been likened to a "Mini F16 " by many.I have despaired at the state of our economy for decades. however, I am realistic rather than overly optimistic. While no one has denied the potential that pakistan has, its realization has not happened. If you talk to the people who are in world finance, they would point out how data has been fudged and glossed over even during musharraf era to paint a much rosier picture than it actually is. You might also want to look over your neighbours and realize that while our bubble has burst pretty quickly, India nad China have gone from strength to strength, even in the times of the recession.
The status of F16 and their significance is also an open secret. What do you hope to achieve with 18 aircrafts? I am sure MuradK and other PAF people will tell you that it was nothing other than international "Ghunda Gardi" that made us buy F16s. We therefore counterparried by buying just the 18. Thois is the long and short of it.
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[B]Let me replay from 10 years ago-- Pakistan's financial situation was 10 times more worst than as of today and till two years ago we were lending help and we even right off Bosnian loan once.
Point is; we have imense potential...... missing is patriotism![/B]
Dont argue with that , but what we also seem to have is a lot of gas. We are overconfident of our potential and are just not willing to make the necessary changes to root out our basic deficiencies. Education is lacking, general awareness is nonexistant, infrastructure is infnatile, sure we have made strides due to a sense of self preservation, but have we done as well as we should have had__ NO!! It is a testament of our political and moral terpitude that after 60 yrs we are still wishing for marshall law to come and save us from our own leaders, not realizing that unless we decide on a course and stick with it, we will never get anywhere.
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[B]On the issue; last govt. have already paid for the F-16 blk-52.
If US cancel the deal than we can block indian and US transit trade which (conservative) estimate to be of value around 30 billion USD peryear.[/B]
Paying for the f16s, was done as people made money out of it. Do you think we were so naive as to not see what happened to us the last time and yet we kept on paying for the F16s that we never got, and on top of that why do you think we never took the US Govtt to the International Courts. There are lots of things that cannot be discussed on the open forum but suffice it to say that we have been run into the ground by so many people whom we regard as our heroes.As to blocking the transit trade, when you are sittingintheir lap and eating out of their handswhatever they want ot feed you,do you think your leaders have the guts to do this.Waht do you think will happen when America exerts its pressure and clamps down on your financial aid and closes its market to your produce. how much will you lose? Life doesn't flow one way, it always flows both ways.
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Count how many F-16 we can buy with this amount?
Zero. You wont buy jack if they dont give you the nod!!
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[B]If US don't need Pakistan they will not spare a second to withhold our money but apparently this is not the case. Pakistan's military aid can be delayed but it will continue to trickel as long US plan to stay in the region.[/B]
Agreed but again case in point, what have you gotten pout of the US and what have you given away.Do you still think it was a great deal??
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All what Pakistan need to do is to hold on to Balauchistan and crack down on insurgents.
OH the naivity of it all!! Who created the so called terrorists and what was their grief with Pakistan? Do you think you are doing well with 30,000 of your forces residing yet not controlling fully the problems you have in that area. Do you honestly believe they will go away once your forces have taken over the area and restored order.What happens then?? have you ever thought of the next step. believe me if the means of provision of a livelihood are not provided to those people, you will be palying the same game again a few yrs from now!!
Baluychistanis another story of gross mismanagement of a land whose local populace has been denied their right. Do you know what Zardari was demanding as his share to release the funds that the centre owes to baluchistan?? believe me noone is taking it away, your own mismanafgemnt and kackhandedness is handing it over to any taker on a silver platter. You really need to talk to people who know what the real story is..
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[B]Alone this aurgument should help considerably to untie the knots to the riddle you present us almost every time.[/QUOTE[/B]
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I present no riddle and no pearls of wisdom .i am like you, i express an opinion to which you may or may not agree. As it happens, and I magrateful to those that do, i have a few friends who listen to me.
WaSalam
Araz
