Pakistan cruise missiles pose key challenge to India

[SQ8]

The aerostat bit has been very clear to us for a while- the sheer no. of aerostat mounted radars we are busy setting up and low-level detection gap filler radars (meant to be deployed very close to the borders in order to provide some depth in terms of detecting an inbound headed for targets deeper in) is a testament to that. Babur is terrain following last I checked, no?

Specifically though- for example the MF-STAR radar on our to be launched DDGM is quoted to have a detection range in excess of 300Km for high altitude objects, now the range of our ASCM (BrahMos) is 280Km and it does indeed make a climb first before settling into the sea skimming cruise- so when it makes that climb its within the detection range of the MF-STAR, will the said sensor at least detect the launch in this case?

As long as the missile enters the radar cone that extends to the Horizon.

If it stays below that last cone in the horizon it will not be picked up, so depending on that rough idea you can speculate whether it will be picked up or not.

 

[Gentelman]

only when they are flying low

they are low flying territon hugging cruise missiles with slealth capabilities and can be launched from multi dimensional platforms like land based and ALCM and even Sub launched are under development……
main prob for decetting them is much less time and no cruise missile shield……
i.e it will require much less time to hit the target than senirios we noticed globally of destroying a crulse missiles……
If average is calculated the time required to detect a cruise missile(globally) will be enough (in case of Pak/India senirio) required by missile to hit the target thats main problem and Pakistan shifted towards cruise to ensure delivering nuclear essernal coz of Purchasing and lical development of India's ballstic missile shield…

 

[kurup]

So Did americans successfully brought down CM in their recent tests?

Yes .

Lockheed Martin · Lockheed Martin PAC-3 Missile Successfully Intercepts Cruise Missile Target During Integrated Flight Test

 

[Black Eagle 90]

That all depends on the launch mode. A ground launched CM might go straight into its lo-lo-lo profile.

Will a well placed radar pick something like this up? Not a ground based radar as long as the launch platform is well behind the horizon. However, with a Aerostat these launches should be detectable but may be mistaken for false contacts unless one is specifically looking for these. Clearly the profile Babur is flying is anything from terrain hugging or otherwise but then many of these test are declared operational test which are essentially development tests.

As for the pop-up maneuver.. that does not last more than a few seconds and is needed only to verify the position of the target. it does give the missile away but then it also dissapears as quickly. So the Ship may be alerted and may start taking evasive actions.. it may still not be able to lock on or shoot down such a weapon.

Bramose is 100% Russian product and surely it has a greater punch too.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Bramose is 100% Russian product and surely it has a greater punch too.

no it's not, it's a joint venture.

 

[Gessler]

As long as the missile enters the radar cone that extends to the Horizon.

If it stays below that last cone in the horizon it will not be picked up, so depending on that rough idea you can speculate whether it will be picked up or not.

What system (or group of systems) does Pak use to know where exactly the enemy radars are located, what area they are scanning, and
where exactly the gaps are?

 

[Kompromat]

no it's not, it's a joint venture.

Its an export version of P-800 missile, not a joint venture. Russia never bought any Brahmos. India was given TOT for Brahmos and it remains the sole major user of the missile up until now.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Its an export version of P-800 missile, not a joint venture. Russia never bought any Brahmos. India was given TOT for Brahmos and it remains the sole major user of the missile up until now.

It is as much of a joint venture as JF17. it is true that whole missile is russian. But india did develop the launcher. So initially the russian contribution was 80%. But recently we have added our own subsystems to the missile and the indian content has increased. Also it is being manufactured in India with some parts being imported from Russia. So its just like Jf17.

PS: China also never bought any JF17, another aspect in which both projects are similar.

 

[Kompromat]

It is as much of a joint venture as JF17. it is true that whole missile is russian. But india did develop the launcher. So initially the russian contribution was 80%. But recently we have added our own subsystems to the missile and the indian content has increased. Also it is being manufactured in India with some parts being imported from Russia. So its just like Jf17.

PS: China also never bought any JF17, another aspect in which both projects are similar.

Too much talk with no evidence of ANY Indian R&D involved. One must question your sanity comparing a fighter program and a missile.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Its an export version of P-800 missile, not a joint venture. Russia never bought any Brahmos. India was given TOT for Brahmos and it remains the sole major user of the missile up until now.

Then I should call jf17 to be Chinese fighter produced as per the requirements of Pakistan,and for other foreign market ? and by your logic if proof of brahmose not being jv is Russia not buying brahmose (because of various reasons suggested by experts) then China also did not inducted jf17, what you need to understand is that India was the interesting party for certain technology assistance, just like Pakistan approached China, Russia came in because of the share of money it can make when Indian armed forced induct this jv product and it's export potential, which means money coming in for Russia as well as India. P-800 oniks is a Russian missile, export version of it is called Yakhnot, not brahmose, and if it *makes no significant difference then India could have simply brought some Yakhnots. Brahmose is a joint venture company and product,it's based on Yakhnot, Russia contributes basic air frame design, booster and engine While The missile’s seeker, target acquisition software, avionics, guidance,navigation and fire control systems are from India. * * There are hundreds of big and small *modifications done on composite material, Air frame, avionics, seeker,boosters,software, launch platforms, launching style, for different versions of brahmose. If brahmose missile was just an export version then India and Russia wouldn't have to set up brahmose jv project with 21 Indian companies and 7 Russian companies as partners, India has 50.5% share in the company.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Too much talk with no evidence of ANY Indian R&D involved. One must question your sanity comparing a fighter program and a missile.

There is a lots of evidence of Indian R&D. It is not my fault that you haven't read it. I am posting just one of the sources. You could have found a lot more if you actually bothered to look.

Manmohan commends BrahMos team - The Hindu

Another source for 80-20 work split as claimed by me.

Brahmos Missile - IDP Sentinel

Before questioning my sanity on this topic, you must read carefully what I write. I have mentioned the similarities between the two programs. If you contest those, then tell me, otherwise your comments carry no value.

 

[gslv mk3]

Its range is 290 km.

Every system's actual specs r classified as they r military stuff.

Our missiles and their ranges r also told false in media.

Thats not a new thing.

But yr missile range is 290km which is disclosed in media n our Barbur-1's range in media is 500-700km babur-2 is b/w 700-1200km but again they r given so in media. Their actual ranges will be known in war times. But still we can safely assume on given media range that Babur still has more range then indian missile. The rumored range for brahmous is said to be b/w 350-390 km.
Still less then babur-1's 500km.

kid,ever heard of MTCR??The Range of brahmos is much over 300 kms and it is enough for us,dont woworry about the Brahmos too much,we already have Quasi Ballistic Missiles like Shaurya in service(which cannot be intercepted by ABMs)and in 2014,India would test its Long range Cruise Missile-LRCM(which would be scramjet poweted and range of 1000km and have a speed of Mach 2.5


Now on topic,I dont think Pakistani Cruise missiles would b a serious issue as Indian BMD systems already have the capability to intercept one,not to mention the S300 and Akash SAMs
OTOH,even a subsonic Indian Cruise missile would be a serious threat to Pakistan,unless they invest in ABMs,and even then,the Indian QBMs and Supersonic CMs would be a threat to Pakistan

 

[MM_Haider]

Indian media is confused.. sometimes Indian media says .. oh.. our competition is with China not Pakistan.. sometimes.. Pakistan's armour is key challenge to India.. just like they say.. "If you cant convince them confuse them..".

 

[InternetMuslim]

A correction - Pakistan (in its entirety) poses a challenge to the entire world.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

True enough...Chinese Cruise Missiles do pose a significant threat to India