Pakistan can not sell JF-17: China
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Its a JV either Pakistan sells or China, both countries have 50% share in profit. Nothing can be sold without mutual consent. First .we need to meet our own requirement and then think for export. One side we are asking 50 more aircrafts on emergent basis, how can we pursue export. Stop responding to trolls basing a false news
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As far as i concerned, regarding all those China supporting Pakistan join statement news thats i have read so far were having similar content except this one with such kind of strange add on....??
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guys u dont understand PAK cant sell JF 17 yes but to all costumers china can PAK never had the ability to sell these jets BUT what ever china sells 40 to 50% of profit ll go to pak as we did spent 60% R&D on it
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The design and development is totally from China. Pakistan has financed the project but the authority is of China not Pakistan. So China can export it not Pakistan.
lol, JF-17 is already obsolete.
5th generation is whats going to be in focus in the next few years.
I'd be quite surprised to see any airforce seriously go for any 4th generation plane in the near future.
JF-17, I think was just meant to be a short-term solution to a short-term problem.
5th generation is whats going to be in focus in the next few years.
I'd be quite surprised to see any airforce seriously go for any 4th generation plane in the near future.
JF-17, I think was just meant to be a short-term solution to a short-term problem.
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That makes perfectly good sense. Let the platform mature and iron out any of its operational shortcomings during use with PAF. 10 years is a good enough time for the both the JF-17 to become a solid product and for the PAF to become accustomed to its use. There would be no point in selling in a hurry and then finding out that the aircraft are grounded for reasons which so far have not been discovered by the PAF. That is a bad marketing strategy and would reflect in the negative on the JF-17's sold outside of Pakistan.
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This is absolute nonsense news. Pakistan is 58% partner in project and as far as i have heard, there is no clause of restricting Pakistan from selling JFT for 10 years. Folks, please do not believe every news piece that makes no sense at all. Just one hint, if this was the case, why Pakistani officials and Air chieves never disclosed it in many of their interviews? Why China didnt say a word in this regard? This news is Bull CRAP!!
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I talked to my source and he told me this is not the case, however, the 2nd batch which is more advanced and has certain level of classified Chinese tech, maybe the reason for this news IF this news is TRUE at all. Does not seem true to me at least.
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Well this makes it clear of the Intentions of china regarding helping Pakistan as it is said all over this forum.... now where is the helping hand of china towards pakistan????
Secondly this also clearly shows that the authority of china is strong over this project which crealy indicates that only the money part pakistan was contributing 60 % but technological part i would say china would be inputing 80 to 90 percent...
Secondly this also clearly shows that the authority of china is strong over this project which crealy indicates that only the money part pakistan was contributing 60 % but technological part i would say china would be inputing 80 to 90 percent...
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the complete news article .
China backs Pak moves to safeguard its security
Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
Saturday, May 21, 2011
[China backs Pak moves to safeguard its security]
BEIJING: The Chinese leadership has agreed in principle to help Pakistan in its difficulties for bridging the budget deficit and provide soft loan for rescuing its economy. The Chinese leadership has, however, declined to oblige the desire expressed by Islamabad for fiscal assistance. It has told the visiting guests from Pakistan that China, as part of its policy, doesnt give hard cash as financial assistance to any country. Chinese President Hu Jintao has expressed his fullest support for Pakistans national endeavours. He will take the matter before the highest political institution and policy making institution, Politburo, to seek its approval for supply of soft loan to Pakistan.
Highly-placed diplomatic sources told The News upon conclusion of the four-day official visit of Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani to China that while expressing its unflinching support for Pakistans security, integrity and solidarity, the Chinese leadership has advised Pakistan to mend its fences with all of its neighbours and try to win the international blessings for its national as well as international goals. China said the world must know and appreciate Pakistans role for eradication of terrorism and extremism, so that the globe could become a peaceful place. The Chinese leadership also asked Islamabad to put efforts for removal of irritants with Washington and New Delhi, the sources said.
The Chinese leadership regretted that terrorists were flourishing in various centres and Pakistan had yet to take an effective action to remove such centres. It was an obvious reference/signal about Madrassas.
The Chinese leadership has also asked Pakistan to play more effective role in Afghanistan where the chances of peace are getting brighter after sometime.
The Chinese government did not agree with a proposal from Pakistan for selling JF-17 multi-purpose fighter planes produced by Pakistan and China jointly. Pakistan has received offers for the sale of the planes about four times more than what these planes cost Pakistan. The Chinese have asked Pakistan not to sell the planes before the expiry of 10 years of the production of the same.
The sources revealed that Pakistans satellite Pak-One Sat is undergoing lab test as the satellite has been manufactured by Pakistan but it would be launched by China through its rocket in the orbit. The satellite has spent 11 days for tests of various parameters in China and it is likely that it would take seven days further in labs before getting ready for launching, the sources said.
The satellite will be launched on 14th of August this year. Prime Minister Gilani, who visited the Chinese Space Research Academy here on Friday, had visited the site and he was impressed to see advancement of Chinese technology on space. The prime minister also inspected 13 Chinese satellites, which have been prepared in China through its most modern technology for various purposes.
In the meanwhile, Prime Minister Gilani and Chinese President Hu Jintao on Friday agreed to strengthen their historic relationship and take their strategic partnership to new heights. The two leaders in a meeting held here at the Great Hall of the People held a detailed discussion on bilateral ties as well as other matters of mutual interest, including the regional situation. After the meeting, which continued for one hour, President Hu acknowledged Pakistans outstanding contribution in combating terrorism and said that the international community should respect its sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence. President Hu also called upon the international community to help Pakistan in its endeavours to combat extremism and terrorism. Hu said that Pakistan was an important country in the region and had a unique role in promoting reconciliation and development in Afghanistan.
Prime Minister Gilani thanked the Chinese leader for his countrys support to Pakistan for its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity after the Abbottabad incident. Congratulating Gilani on his successful visit to China, President Hu said it will open a new chapter of cooperation between the two friendly countries.
The two leaders also discussed ways and means to strengthen the relationship and cooperation between Pakistan and China in diverse fields, with the focus on financing of infrastructure, energy and agricultural projects in Pakistan.
President Hu noted that Prime Minister Gilani and Premier Wen Jiabao held very productive talks as the two sides also signed new cooperation documents. He said that Prime Minister Gilanis visit was important as it coincided with the 60th anniversary of diplomatic ties between Pakistan and China and also with the Pak-China Friendship Year. President Hu hoped that Gilanis visit would boost the already existing close and warm relations.
He appreciated the contributions made by Prime Minister Gilani and his father over a period of several years in fortifying the Pak-China friendship. Prime Minister Gilani said it was always an honour and a moment of pride for the Pakistanis whenever they interacted with their Chinese brethren. He also thanked the Chinese government for the hospitality extended to him and his delegation.
The prime minister also congratulated the Chinese President on the 60th anniversary of the establishment of Pak-China diplomatic ties and said the two sides were celebrating this momentous occasion with a renewed pledge to take their strategic partnership to new heights.
Meanwhile, a joint statement issued simultaneously from Islamabad and Beijing at the end of Prime Minister Gilanis visit, stated: China believes that Pakistans efforts for promoting peace and stability in South Asia need to be recognised and supported.
The two countries noted that terrorism, separatism and extremism were posing serious threats to regional peace, stability and security and called for substantive cooperation. Both sides agreed to jointly fight these under bilateral and multilateral frameworks.
The Chinese side recognised the tremendous efforts and the great sacrifice that Pakistan has made in fighting terrorism and reiterated its respect and support for the efforts of Pakistan to advance its counter-terrorism strategy and safeguard its security, the joint statement mentioned.
Pakistan reiterated that it would never allow its territory to be used to attack any country and would continue to support international counter-terrorism cooperation. Both the countries agreed to strengthen communication and coordination in regional affairs, particularly on issues such as Afghanistan and regional cooperation. Pakistan also reiterated its firm commitment to the one-China policy and extended support for the cause of Chinas unification.
China backs Pak moves to safeguard its security
Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
Saturday, May 21, 2011
[China backs Pak moves to safeguard its security]
BEIJING: The Chinese leadership has agreed in principle to help Pakistan in its difficulties for bridging the budget deficit and provide soft loan for rescuing its economy. The Chinese leadership has, however, declined to oblige the desire expressed by Islamabad for fiscal assistance. It has told the visiting guests from Pakistan that China, as part of its policy, doesnt give hard cash as financial assistance to any country. Chinese President Hu Jintao has expressed his fullest support for Pakistans national endeavours. He will take the matter before the highest political institution and policy making institution, Politburo, to seek its approval for supply of soft loan to Pakistan.
Highly-placed diplomatic sources told The News upon conclusion of the four-day official visit of Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani to China that while expressing its unflinching support for Pakistans security, integrity and solidarity, the Chinese leadership has advised Pakistan to mend its fences with all of its neighbours and try to win the international blessings for its national as well as international goals. China said the world must know and appreciate Pakistans role for eradication of terrorism and extremism, so that the globe could become a peaceful place. The Chinese leadership also asked Islamabad to put efforts for removal of irritants with Washington and New Delhi, the sources said.
The Chinese leadership regretted that terrorists were flourishing in various centres and Pakistan had yet to take an effective action to remove such centres. It was an obvious reference/signal about Madrassas.
The Chinese leadership has also asked Pakistan to play more effective role in Afghanistan where the chances of peace are getting brighter after sometime.
The Chinese government did not agree with a proposal from Pakistan for selling JF-17 multi-purpose fighter planes produced by Pakistan and China jointly. Pakistan has received offers for the sale of the planes about four times more than what these planes cost Pakistan. The Chinese have asked Pakistan not to sell the planes before the expiry of 10 years of the production of the same.
The sources revealed that Pakistans satellite Pak-One Sat is undergoing lab test as the satellite has been manufactured by Pakistan but it would be launched by China through its rocket in the orbit. The satellite has spent 11 days for tests of various parameters in China and it is likely that it would take seven days further in labs before getting ready for launching, the sources said.
The satellite will be launched on 14th of August this year. Prime Minister Gilani, who visited the Chinese Space Research Academy here on Friday, had visited the site and he was impressed to see advancement of Chinese technology on space. The prime minister also inspected 13 Chinese satellites, which have been prepared in China through its most modern technology for various purposes.
In the meanwhile, Prime Minister Gilani and Chinese President Hu Jintao on Friday agreed to strengthen their historic relationship and take their strategic partnership to new heights. The two leaders in a meeting held here at the Great Hall of the People held a detailed discussion on bilateral ties as well as other matters of mutual interest, including the regional situation. After the meeting, which continued for one hour, President Hu acknowledged Pakistans outstanding contribution in combating terrorism and said that the international community should respect its sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence. President Hu also called upon the international community to help Pakistan in its endeavours to combat extremism and terrorism. Hu said that Pakistan was an important country in the region and had a unique role in promoting reconciliation and development in Afghanistan.
Prime Minister Gilani thanked the Chinese leader for his countrys support to Pakistan for its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity after the Abbottabad incident. Congratulating Gilani on his successful visit to China, President Hu said it will open a new chapter of cooperation between the two friendly countries.
The two leaders also discussed ways and means to strengthen the relationship and cooperation between Pakistan and China in diverse fields, with the focus on financing of infrastructure, energy and agricultural projects in Pakistan.
President Hu noted that Prime Minister Gilani and Premier Wen Jiabao held very productive talks as the two sides also signed new cooperation documents. He said that Prime Minister Gilanis visit was important as it coincided with the 60th anniversary of diplomatic ties between Pakistan and China and also with the Pak-China Friendship Year. President Hu hoped that Gilanis visit would boost the already existing close and warm relations.
He appreciated the contributions made by Prime Minister Gilani and his father over a period of several years in fortifying the Pak-China friendship. Prime Minister Gilani said it was always an honour and a moment of pride for the Pakistanis whenever they interacted with their Chinese brethren. He also thanked the Chinese government for the hospitality extended to him and his delegation.
The prime minister also congratulated the Chinese President on the 60th anniversary of the establishment of Pak-China diplomatic ties and said the two sides were celebrating this momentous occasion with a renewed pledge to take their strategic partnership to new heights.
Meanwhile, a joint statement issued simultaneously from Islamabad and Beijing at the end of Prime Minister Gilanis visit, stated: China believes that Pakistans efforts for promoting peace and stability in South Asia need to be recognised and supported.
The two countries noted that terrorism, separatism and extremism were posing serious threats to regional peace, stability and security and called for substantive cooperation. Both sides agreed to jointly fight these under bilateral and multilateral frameworks.
The Chinese side recognised the tremendous efforts and the great sacrifice that Pakistan has made in fighting terrorism and reiterated its respect and support for the efforts of Pakistan to advance its counter-terrorism strategy and safeguard its security, the joint statement mentioned.
Pakistan reiterated that it would never allow its territory to be used to attack any country and would continue to support international counter-terrorism cooperation. Both the countries agreed to strengthen communication and coordination in regional affairs, particularly on issues such as Afghanistan and regional cooperation. Pakistan also reiterated its firm commitment to the one-China policy and extended support for the cause of Chinas unification.
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Saber2 was designed solely by China, JFT is co designed by both Pak and China and this has been discussed to death on this very forum. We didnt send 35 engineers to China for fishing. Check out JFT info pool plz.
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Yeah I completely agree with you........... Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Azerbaijan and other African countries are already looking into 5th Gen aircrafts. Buying an aircraft costing >$100 mil a piece would really make do with all the surplus capital they have laying around.....................Oh wait....... xP
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So after we attract potential customers and plan to sell them and things are going gradually fine, they suddenly ask us not to?!
Seriously. Must be fake or else CHina would have told us before we started to search for customers!
Wont believe in the news.
Seriously. Must be fake or else CHina would have told us before we started to search for customers!
Wont believe in the news.
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intrestlingly no chines member bother to post a message in the thread....
like this one there is another thread where they just like to keep quit
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...k-mend-its-fences-neighbours.html#post1769971
anyway , in my view , been a very cheap plane the profit margine of a JF-17 would also be very thin , so ,chinese would have decided to not let that small profit to go away by as commission to pakistan by letting pakistan sell these plane , also , i think china like to first recover the development cost of the plane by selling it by themself only ....
like this one there is another thread where they just like to keep quit
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...k-mend-its-fences-neighbours.html#post1769971
anyway , in my view , been a very cheap plane the profit margine of a JF-17 would also be very thin , so ,chinese would have decided to not let that small profit to go away by as commission to pakistan by letting pakistan sell these plane , also , i think china like to first recover the development cost of the plane by selling it by themself only ....
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