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Pakistan became a J-10B's first overseas buyers half price for F-16

FC-20 is J-10B further modified to PAF's requirements. In other words FC20 is somewhat different than J10B in that it is J10B redesigned to include modifications requested by PAF.
 
MastanKhan? Probably an Indian in disguised.

Oh my goodness---after all these years on this board---disguised as an 'enemy agent'---I have been working freely spreading my message---but now I have been caught by Inspector Cleaseau. What am I gonna do now----any place for me to hide.

help---someone help me.:help::help::help:
 
Oh my goodness---after all these years on this board---disguised as an 'enemy agent'---I have been working freely spreading my message---but now I have been caught by Inspector Cleaseau. What am I gonna do now----any place for me to hide.

help---someone help me.:help::help::help:
dont bother mate all pakistani members here know ur a pakistani & a patriot ,u dont need noone's certificate to prove ur loyality to ur motherland .

CHEERS:cheers:
 
Ok no more confusions. Pakistan would get 2 squardens initially with an eventual requirements of 150. They would be of latest configurations J10b or whatever model name and # would be available at the time of purchase. FC-20 is the designation PAF would use for these J10s. I think this bird is a very good addition to safeguard our homeland.

Cheers from Houston.



Wow----


What a genius we have---your first post on this board---read couple of web-sites and you are secure----wallah. Who needs enemies when patrons are satisfied by these lowly standards of the jf 17 and J10's----. What a tragedy.

So had I posted millions of comments without any knowledge, by your standard that would have made me a genius right? Plus how do you know that I am getting my info from couple of websites. I don't know who you are and where you are, I am in Houston and I have buddies in USAF. That is all I want to say because I don't want to sound rude like you.
 
how does this compare with tejas.. or do we compare jf17 and jf 20 with Tejas?

Here is some info for JF-17 from Globalsecurity.net. It might give you some info about TEJAS comparison with JF-17. Not much at all but I found this very interesting independent review of JF-17

JF-17 Thunder aircraft is an advanced multi-role light combat aircraft jointly developed by Chengdu and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex under a strategic collaboration project. The aircraft is designed to be cost-effective and can meet the tactical and strategic needs of the Pakistan Air Force, and various other air forces. The first prototype made its first test flight in 2003. The letters "J & F" included as title of the aircraft denoting "Joint Fighter". Pakistan renamed Super-7 as JF-17 (Joint Fighter) Thunder in 2003.

The JF-17 Thunder, whose performance is matched only by F-16s in the Pakistan Air Force's current inventory, would be replacing the aging fleet of Mirage, F-7s and A-5s. The aircraft is being considered as a match for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), which is expected to form the backbone of the Indian Air Force in future. There are, however, some features like advanced and futuristic avionics and cost effectiveness that give the JF-17 an edge over the LCA.

The JF-17 is a light weight, all weather, multi-role aircraft having a capability to fly at a speed of Mach 1.6 and a high thrust to weight ratio. The aircraft has the ability to engage targets at all speeds and altitudes within the conventional flying envelope. In the surface attack and interdiction role, the aircraft can strike at long distances. The combat jet has been installed with an advanced flight control system, which is a mix of conventional and fly-by-wire controls, making it highly agile and maneuverable.
 
xactly how capable is this bird?

Here is some info from globalsecurity.org . This website as per my knowledge is an American think tank and membership is not free.


Chengdu J-10 (Jian-10 Fighter aircraft 10) / F-10
There has been much speculation on the development of China's J-10 fighter. Many suggested the aircraft's design was based on the Lavi- the unsuccessful attempt by Israel to develop an indigenous F-16 fighter. Only in December 2006 did China officially acknowledged the fielding of the J-10, when the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) released videos and photos of the aircraft via China Central Television (CCTV) and Xinhua News Agency. By then, it was apparent that the J-10 has the potential of becoming one of the most significant fighters in the next few decades.

Initial development of the J-10 began in October 1988. Originally the aircraft was to be an air superiority fighter. The 1980s saw a number of similar aircraft designs featuring a main delta-wing and canards. The delta-wing, a triangular wing platform, offers two important aerodynamic qualities to a combat aircraft. First, the swept leading edge of a delta-wing stays ahead of the shock wave generated by the nose of the aircraft during supersonic flight, making delta-wing a very efficient aerodynamic wing shape for supersonic flight. And secondly, the leading edge of delta-wing also generates a massive vortex that attaches itself to the upper surface of the wing during high angle-of-attack (AOA) maneuvers resulting in very high stall points. Additionaly, the delta-wing offers increased survivability by having increased structural and airflow stability.

By 1993 the Chinese possessed an all-metal mockup of the J-10. Wind tunnel testing revealed potential problems with low-speed performance and less than expected maximum AOA at subsonic speeds. At the time, there was an ongoing trend in fighter aircraft development that moved the development of single-purpose fighters such as high-speed interceptor or low-altitude dogfighters to polifunctional aircraft that combined subsonic and supersonic air-to-air performance with air-to-ground capabilities. Increasing demands for air-to-ground operations called for an in-depth redesign of the J-10 to accommodate terrain-following radar, more and sturdier hardpoints, and entirely new targeting, flight control and navigation systems.

The first test flight of the J-10 came in 1996 with the help of a Russian made AI-31FN turbofan engine. It would take two years, however, before the J-10 had a successful test flight. By 1999 China had six prototypes: four of them used for flight testing and two for static tests. By late 2000 there were nine J-10 prototypes accumulating over 140 flight hours. The first flight of the pre-production model took place on June 28, 2002. In early 2003 ten J-10s were deployed to Nanjing Military Region for training and operational evaluation.

Development would not stop, however, as China also began to construct two-seat versions of the J-10 for training and air-to-ground roles. This two-seat J-10B fighter-trainer aircraft successfully flew in 2003. Preliminary designs for two new versions of the J-10 featuring single and twin engines and LO geometry were also completed.

Low-rate initial production of the J-10 was authorised in 2002, with the initial run of fifty aircraft to be fitted with Russian AL-31F engines. The J-10 is expected to achieve initial operating capability in the 2005 to 2006 timeframe, initially entering service with the 44th Aviation Division based in Sichuan Province. The PLAAF initially was estimated to have a total requirement of 300 aircraft, but this may be reduced to less than 100 as a result of the introduction of the more capable Su-30MK multirole fighter.

As the Chinese continue to develop and improve the J-10 it becomes clear they are interested in expanding its air-to-ground capability, thus moving from the original concept of a tactical air defense fighter to a multirole fighter-bomber. The change in Chinese reporting of the J-10, from the "Jian-10" ("Fighter-10") to the "Qian Shi-10" ("Attack 10") is proof of this intended move.

Russian involvement in the J-10 program was not limited to the AI-31FN turbojet engine, but also included offers for advanced multifunction radars, navigation and targeting systems, ECM suite, and missile warning and defense systems. For the J-10, the Chinese will most likely adopt the Phazotron RP-35 "Zhemchug," which is an X-band radar with digital fire-control sensors and an electronically scanning phased-array antenna. The radar features a liquid-cooled travelling wave tube transmitter; an exciter; a three channel microwave reciever and programmable signal and data processors. All critical radar controls for "Zemchug" are integrated into the aircraft's throttle grip and stick controller, and radar data is displayed via the head-up and head-down displays allowing for one-man operation.

The production of the J-10 has forced China to quickly adapt to current developmental trends; in addition to utilizing other technologies (Russia, Israel) for the benefit of its final product. The results are promising. Not only does the J-10 pose a risk to the Russian fighter export market, but it considerably boosts the Chinese air force's tactical offensive capabilities, especially vis-a-vis Taiwan.
 
J 10B with appropriate modifications requested by the PAF has a promise to be a Superb Fighter. Already it has a World class Aesa radar and armament package developed by China and china is making great strides in Improving the WS 10 Jet engine which will improve the Thrust to Weight ratio. Add to that advantage the half price tag compared with other fighters with similar capability and you have yourself a winner.

China should be congratulated for this marvellous achievement and PAF is fortunate to be the first Forieign Air Force to receive this fighter in its inventory.
 
all members are talking, writing articles, submitting web site links, but still no ones knowing when these birds come to Pakistan speace.........mne tu bhuda ho giya hoon sunty sunty k FC-20/J10 coming coming..........
 
^^^ one thing i want to say that israel also has aesa radar ELTA 2052
 
all members are talking, writing articles, submitting web site links, but still no ones knowing when these birds come to Pakistan speace.........mne tu bhuda ho giya hoon sunty sunty k FC-20/J10 coming coming..........

I guess 2014.
 
all members are talking, writing articles, submitting web site links, but still no ones knowing when these birds come to Pakistan speace.........mne tu bhuda ho giya hoon sunty sunty k FC-20/J10 coming coming..........

Same here but i have even more intriguing quest .... What is FC-20, if it really exist?
 
Why do things become this expensive? I used to think weapons made in China should be a lot cheaper than those western made ones.

We should sell those J-10b to Pakistan at cost or just a little above cost. Or we should just let Pakistani build them themselves. I suppose none of those weapons would be used against China later.

[--Leo--];2005267 said:
Pakistan Want J-10b right 36 of them so when they will diliver this?
what is the cost of J-10B ? 42 million????
 
What are the exact modifications to be made on pakistani j-10s and have they been finalized or as yet speculation?
 

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