Pakistan-Bangladesh trade volume to soon touch $1bn: envoy

[Bengal71]

Go easy on @Bilal9.

He “swings” from time to time and best to give him
a break.

All my opinions are backed up by data while he wishes for a fantasy of mutual BD-Pakistan trade in multiple areas of goods and services in order to “balance” out India.

Pakistan will just not be able to escape the low per capita growth probably during any of our lifetimes, and so best to get to the reality and that is Pakistan as a supplier of raw material and foodstuffs to BD as it transitions to middle-income status over the next 10-15 years.

Do I want this? Of course but it is reality of the situation we find ourselves in 2022.

It's important to separate the wheat from the chaff, not that I didn't already. Being generally a nice guy is one thing, doing fellatio to people who insult your kind is totally another. It could mean many things, one being a generally spineless person without any self respect, other being the minority variety we have amongst us in BD whose Qibla is Pakistan. I know the various varieties very well.

Pakistan will just not be able to escape the low per capita growth probably during any of our lifetimes, and so best to get to the reality and that is Pakistan as a supplier of raw material and foodstuffs to BD as it transitions to middle-income status over the next 10-15 years.

The data is clear, I don't need further explanation. But the data is only besides the point, I never doubt Pakistanis' ability to screw things up and shoot themselves in the foot, we are extremely lucky that we separated. If it is the technological, industrial, financial barriers that is holding you back, it can be worked on relatively easily, but if it's your general culture that holds you back then you have to overcome that barrier in addition to the technological, industrial, financial barriers. Pakistanis will have it hard.

@UKBengali

 

[UKBengali]

It's important to separate the wheat from the chaff, not that I didn't already. Being generally a nice guy is one thing, doing fellatio to people who insult your kind is totally another. It could mean many things, one being a generally spineless person without any self respect, other being the monitory variety we have amongst us in BD whose Qibla is Pakistan. I know the various varieties very well.

He is ok but an emotional kind of guy.

Was suggesting I was an Indian a couple of weeks ago and I have been on this forum for 11 years and no-one ever doubted that I was a BD'shi before!

It is unfortunate but Pakistanis have not prioritised social and economic growth over the last 75 years. With IK being booted out of power by the military then nothing much is likely to change anytime soon.

Of course Pakistanis would wish that somehow they would get stable government that turns their economy around but we need to be realistic here and BD has little choice now but to engage with India and link up with Nepal/Bhutan in order to keep it's high economic growth in the road. Myanmar could have been an alternative source of raw materials, food and energy for BD but they are a dead end now.

BD did not choose India/Myanmar as neighbours but needs to deal with them as best it can for it's own security and prosperity.

 

[UKBengali]

The data is clear, I don't need further explanation. But the data is only besides the point, I never doubt Pakistanis' ability to screw things up and shoot themselves in the foot, we are extremely lucky that we separated. If it is the technological, industrial, financial barriers that is holding you back, it can be worked on relatively easily, but if it's your general culture that holds you back then you have to overcome that barrier in addition to the technological, industrial, financial barriers. Pakistanis will have it hard.

It is a mainly a cultural issue with Pakistanis in my opinion and they are far more similar to Arabs than BD'shis, Indonesians, Turks etc.
Nothing wrong with that per se but it means it is much harder to create a modern technological society.

I can see a Muslim world of 2050 with stark distance in economic and technological development between Arab World/Pakistan on one side and Turkey/Iran/Indonesia/BD and Malaysia on the other side.

One part of the Muslim world will be on par with the most developed and technologically advanced nations of the world and the other at pretty much the bottom of the development ladder.

 

[Bengal71]

It is a mainly a cultural issue with Pakistanis in my opinion and they are far more similar to Arabs than BD'shis, Indonesians, Turks etc.
Nothing wrong with that per se but it means it is much harder to create a modern technological society.

I can see a Muslim world of 2050 with stark distance in economic and technological development between Arab World/Pakistan on one side and Turkey/Iran/Indonesia/BD and Malaysia on the other side.

One part of the Muslim world will be on par with the most developed and technologically advanced nations of the world and the other at pretty much the bottom of the development ladder.

I agree on the cultural issue and alluded to that already in my previous post. They are more similar to the Afghans than the Arabs IMO, which are not much better than the Arab bunch.

And yes, I agree on the stark difference in the future between Muslim countries of different parts of the world. Including BD in the more advanced side in the present time will be ridiculed by the type that lack depth, but it's inevitable.

 

[UKBengali]

And yes, I agree on the stark difference in the future between Muslim countries of different parts of the world. Including BD in the more advanced side in the present time will be ridiculed by the type that lack depth, but it's inevitable.

BD is likely to be on the lower end of that side but it will be much closer to the technologically advanced Muslim countries than Arabs/Pakistan for sure.

It is fundamentally a consequence of the different cultures between the two sides that will play out to mid-century.

 

[I.R.A]

It is a mainly a cultural issue with Pakistanis in my opinion and they are far more similar to Arabs than BD'shis, Indonesians, Turks etc.
Nothing wrong with that per se but it means it is much harder to create a modern technological society.

I can see a Muslim world of 2050 with stark distance in economic and technological development between Arab World/Pakistan on one side and Turkey/Iran/Indonesia/BD and Malaysia on the other side.

One part of the Muslim world will be on par with the most developed and technologically advanced nations of the world and the other at pretty much the bottom of the development ladder.

It is perfectly okay to love your country and people, but you don't have to prove it by degrading / insulting another country and its people.

I hail from a hilly remote area in Pakistan, 43 now, and I can tell you I was watching tv when I was 4 years old, had a landline phone and electricity in that mountainous backward area. 14" tv though it was run on battery. We even had our own gas producing plant (animal waste).

Your only tragedy may be 1971, ours' you can't even imagine and Go forbid you had to face such hardships, I don't think you will even be able to survive them. After all that if the gap is not that wide, that only means Bangladesh and india hasn't performed beyond expectation but just that Pakistan's performance has deteriorated. Not that impressive.

Stop comparing yourselves with us, we hardly care, our only issue with you is when you try stupid sh*t to insult us, else now, we don't even care if you and india become best of the darlings.

Pakistan is a very different case, it can at anytime surprise.

 

[Bengal71]

BD is likely to be on the lower end of that side but it will be much closer to the technologically advanced Muslim countries than Arabs/Pakistan for sure.

It is fundamentally a consequence of the different cultures between the two sides that will play out to mid-century.

I think the same. I hope to live to 2050, I have a few bitter things to say to the Arabs. I hate them greatly.

 

[UKBengali]

It is perfectly okay to love your country and people, but you don't have to prove it by degrading / insulting another country and its people.

I hail from a hilly remote area in Pakistan, 43 now, and I can tell you I was watching tv when I was 4 years old, had a landline phone and electricity in that mountainous backward area. 14" tv though it was run on battery. We even had our own gas producing plant (animal waste).

Your only tragedy may be 1971, ours' you can't even imagine and Go forbid you had to face such hardships, I don't think you will even be able to survive them. After all that if the gap is not that wide, that only means Bangladesh and india hasn't performed beyond expectation but just that Pakistan's performance has deteriorated. Not that impressive.

Stop comparing yourselves with us, we hardly care, our only issue with you is when you try stupid sh*t to insult us, else now, we don't even care if you and india become best of the darlings.

Pakistan is a very different case, it can at anytime surprise.

Dude, the thread is about BD-Pakistani economic relations and my posts are relevant to the topic. If you do not discuss the future economic potential of both countries then not much can be added to the discussion

No-one was 'degrading' Pakistan before one of your countrymen jumped in and got 'offended' at a comment I made about Pakistan likely to continue with it's very low per capita growth that it has had since independence in 1947.

No BD'shi would get offended if a Pakistani said that BD has a weak military for the region as it is a factually accurate comment.

 

[Wergeland]

This little darkie from UK reaffirms my belief about his kind and nation. Next thing he needs to do is to quit this Pakistani forum, and find a mosli forum to join to be with his own kind.

Pathetic
Are you a muslim?

 

[UKBengali]

Pathetic
Are you a muslim?

Do you know what the funny thing is?

A lot of Pakistanis in the UK think I am Pakistani and get shocked when I tell them that I am BD'shi.


Plenty of darker skin complexion Pakistanis in the UK than me and that is no big deal.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

He claims the Pakistani consumer electronics and household appliance market is “huge” but I have posted data to show it is 20% smaller than BD and expected to barely grow over the next 5 years.

This is a lopsided, selective, cherry picked statement. You must knew about cumulative rate of growth and purchase patterns.

Like if there are 100 households with 70 of them owning TV's, Fridges, other home appliances the purchase of 'New' applainces will be lower as in case of Pakistan, In BD's case this is a new buying pattern with people having the income in last few years, so the sales will be higher than with a group who already holds the stuff.



18-Oct-2020 — In the first quarter of fiscal year 2020-21 Pakistan managed to sale over 800k motorcycles locally, such huge number of motorcycles have ...

Record Motorcycle sales in Pakistan 2020-2021 - Horsepower Pakistan

The only thing which worries me is that many people paid modern day money to buy old day motorcycles, thats a shame

horsepower.com.pk

And you talked about a 20% more sales of home appliances in BD over Pakistan, which I gave the reason, the sales of Motorcycles in Pakistan is about 600% more with a population which is 15% larger.

Looking at BD''s figure of new Motorcycle sales which is now 5 lacs per year, Pakistan sales is over 30 lacs per year touching 32 lacs as per statistics.

Car sales??? Pakistan yearly car sales is about 280,000 units on average, declined during Covid-19.


BD's car sales is around 25,000 units per year, so Pak car sales is about 1000% more or 10 times of BD's car sales.


Talking about cherry picking.


In 2017 the market was sustained by robust internal demand, reaching 247,330 sales (+18.3%), followed by the current all-time record in 2018 at 264,442 (+6.9%).12-May-2022


As a result, the Full-year ended at 192,814 units sold, losing 27.1% from the previous year. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic sales fell in 2020.

How many car owners are there in Pakistan?


There are 32.2 million households in Pakistan, according to 2017 Census. Total number of vehicles registered in Pakistan increased 9.6% to 23,588,268 in 2018, up from 21,506,641 vehicles in 2017.17-Jun-2019

This includes bikes as well I think, above

Another figure for cars.

Pakistan (Unit)

6,317,842 2020

Motor Vehicle Registered: Bangladesh: Total data was reported at 445,030.000 Unit in 2021. This records an increase from the previous number of 377,660.000 Unit for 2020.

Motor Vehicle Registered: Bangladesh: Total - CEIC​

 

[UKBengali]

This is a lopsided, selective, cherry picked statement. You must knew about cumulative rate of growth and purchase patterns.

Like if there are 100 households with 70 of them owning TV's, Fridges, other home appliances the purchase of 'New' applainces will be lower as in case of Pakistan, In BD's case this is a new buying pattern with people having the income in last few years, so the sales will be higher than with a group who already holds the stuff.



18-Oct-2020 — In the first quarter of fiscal year 2020-21 Pakistan managed to sale over 800k motorcycles locally, such huge number of motorcycles have ...

Record Motorcycle sales in Pakistan 2020-2021 - Horsepower Pakistan

The only thing which worries me is that many people paid modern day money to buy old day motorcycles, thats a shame

horsepower.com.pk

And you talked about a 20% more sales of home appliances in BD over Pakistan, which I gave the reason, the sales of Motorcycles in Pakistan is about 600% more with a population which is 15% larger.

Looking at BD''s figure of new Motorcycle sales which is now 5 lacs per year, Pakistan sales is over 30 lacs per year touching 32 lacs as per statistics.

Car sales??? Pakistan yearly car sales is about 280,000 units on average, declined during Covid-19.


BD's car sales is around 25,000 units per year, so Pak car sales is about 1000% more or 10 times of BD's car sales.


Talking about cherry picking.


In 2017 the market was sustained by robust internal demand, reaching 247,330 sales (+18.3%), followed by the current all-time record in 2018 at 264,442 (+6.9%).12-May-2022


As a result, the Full-year ended at 192,814 units sold, losing 27.1% from the previous year. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic sales fell in 2020.

How many car owners are there in Pakistan?


There are 32.2 million households in Pakistan, according to 2017 Census. Total number of vehicles registered in Pakistan increased 9.6% to 23,588,268 in 2018, up from 21,506,641 vehicles in 2017.17-Jun-2019




Motor Vehicle Registered: Bangladesh: Total data was reported at 445,030.000 Unit in 2021. This records an increase from the previous number of 377,660.000 Unit for 2020.

Motor Vehicle Registered: Bangladesh: Total - CEIC​

Nice try but why barely any growth(1%) predicted in Pakistan whereas we shall see 6-7% in BD over the next 5 years?

India is expected to see high growth and they have similar "accumulated wealth" to Pakistan.

Do you think you know something that these highly paid economic analysts do not know?

As for motorcycles, BD discourages personal transportation with high import taxes as BD wants people to travel by public transport as it is such a densely populated country.

Even local assemblers need to pay 45% and so making the cycles out of reach of all but the richest BD'shis.

 

[I.R.A]

Dude, the thread is about BD-Pakistani economic relations and my posts are relevant to the topic. If you do not discuss the future economic potential of both countries then not much can be added to the discussion

No-one was 'degrading' Pakistan before one of your countrymen jumped in and got 'offended' at a comment I made about Pakistan likely to continue with it's very low per capita growth that it has had since independence in 1947.

No BD'shi would get offended if a Pakistani said that BD has a weak military for the region as it is a factually accurate comment.

No Pakistani is interested in how weak or strong your military is ................ do you get the point? is it that hard?

No Pakistani is interested in UK based Bangladeshi telling them about Pakistan or its potential.

It is not the first time you have tried belittling Pakistan or Pakistanis ........... dude we are not interested in this competition whatsoever, neither we asked you for your opinion, your advice, your expertise or anything ........ is it that hard to understand the level of interest we Pakistanis have in you?

You can print these comparisons and have them framed on your wall .......... do Pakistanis care? no we don't. We will solve our problems and we are in no hurry.

In BD's case this is a new buying pattern with people having the income in last few years, so the sales will be higher than with a group who already holds the stuff.

A third grade student would know and understand this, but no they have to prove something.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Nice try but why barely any growth(1%) predicted in Pakistan whereas we shall see 6-7% in BD over the next 5 years?

Oh, you change the goalpost selectively, talking about hypocrisy.

Pakistan logs 6% growth in FY22, economy's size jumps to $383 billion​

Pakistan logs 6% growth in FY22, economy's size jumps to $383 billion

The provisional GDP growth rate for the year 2021-22 is estimated at 5.97 per cent, announced the Planning Ministry after a meeting of the National Accounts Committee

www.business-standard.com

 

[UKBengali]

Oh, you change the goalpost selectively, talking about hypocrisy.

Pakistan logs 6% growth in FY22, economy's size jumps to $383 billion​

Pakistan logs 6% growth in FY22, economy's size jumps to $383 billion

The provisional GDP growth rate for the year 2021-22 is estimated at 5.97 per cent, announced the Planning Ministry after a meeting of the National Accounts Committee

www.business-standard.com

Good to see but please come back when Pakistan can do this for 10 years straight. It is still 4% per capita growth though as population growth is 2%.

For reference BD logged an average of 6% per capita annual growth in the 2010s.

This decade all major forecasters are predicting 6% again for BD but I think 7% is more realistic if the world economy quickly recovers from the current difficulties.