'Pakistan at disadvantage to maintain military balance'

[Neo]

Deccan Herald

'Pakistan at disadvantage to maintain military balance'

New Delhi, PTI:

A record of over 400 global and Indian firms have lined up at the Aero India show in Bangalore whereas Pakistan is hard-pressed to find sellers to meet its defence requirements.

With leading civil and defence aviation companies making a beeline to tap the lucrative Indian market, an American think-tank feels Pakistan will be at a "strategic disadvantage" as it will have to struggle hard to maintain the military balance in the region.

A record of over 400 global and Indian firms have lined up at the Aero India show in Bangalore whereas Pakistan is hard-pressed to find sellers to meet its defence requirements.

Its most recent acquisition, the American F-16 Fighting Falcons, delivered almost a decade after the full payment was made to the US, is a third-generation aircraft while those lining up at Bangalore are offering fourth-generation fighters to meet the IAF's demand for 126 multi-role combat jets.

US-based think-tank Strategic Forecasting Inc (Stratfor) said the Aero India expo was "a reminder of India's continuing rise as a military power".

It said Pakistan could "hardly be pleased" with the line- up of sellers in India as "essentially, when the US and Russia vie for India's favour, India wins. When the defence industry sniffs out large lucrative contracts, India wins. And when India wins, Pakistan loses." The fighter jets vying for the major IAF order are Russia's MiG-35, F/A-18 and F-16 of the US, Swedish Gripen's JAS-39, French Dassault's Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, a range of fourth generation combat planes which are not on offer to Pakistan.

Security analysts here feel that what has caused concern in Pakistani circles is India's plans to spend 30 billion dollars on defence purchases during its 11th Five Year Plan.

This amount is almost half the size of Pakistan's GDP. As against this, India's planned capital expenditure for defence hardware is a tiny percentage of its GDP, they said, adding that besides acquisition, New Delhi is also building a strong defence industry for the future.

"Already at a strategic disadvantage, Pakistan has a comparative lack of strategic depth and limited resources that keep it from being competitive with India," Sratfor said. Even if Pakistan can acquire new F-16s from the US, it will help maintain the military balance only for now, it noted.

"With continuing developments in India, Pakistan's need for the F-16s, (which) Washington has offered but not yet agreed to deliver will only increase -- they are the best Islamabad can hope for at the moment," the think-tank said.

It said the Chinese J-10 fighters could be a substitute "but not quite as good in terms of technology, sensors or accompanying armaments".

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/feb112007/update1320412007211.asp

 

[Janbaz]

Dumbo author firstly thinks F-16 is third generation and Pakistan cannot find suppliers or equipment. Did he look at the stories linking us to the EF 2000. The guy also thinks the J-10 well basically sucks compared to F-18. Does he have to be reminded that it is highly maneuvrable and can carry huge loads over massive distances. By the way, its radar is also satisfactory only to be improved by Sino Pak AWACS.:flag: :ChinaFlag:

 

[Introvert]

Dumbo author :

Good one

 

[PakSniper]

First of all,. It's written by an Indian, and commenting on J-10 which not everyone knows it's full capabilities. 2nd of all, Pakistan hasn't said anything about Indian's acquisitions and neither do our top brass cares, were pursuing weapons according to our needs to make an efficient deterant. No where is Indian near becoming a Military power, most of all China wouldn't even allow it, or it' will supply weapons to challenge Indian weapons,. I'm just waiting to see the High-Altitude SAM that Pakistan decides which I hope they go for Chinese, cause with the deal Pakistan is asking for ToT. Also,. J-10 has a lot of room for upgrade and it's potential is great, it's already proven itself against SU-27s in Chinese inventory.

Dumbo author firstly thinks F-16 is third generation and Pakistan cannot find suppliers or equipment. Did he look at the stories linking us to the EF 2000. The guy also thinks the J-10 well basically sucks compared to F-18. Does he have to be reminded that it is highly maneuvrable and can carry huge loads over massive distances. By the way, its radar is also satisfactory only to be improved by Sino Pak AWACS.:flag: :ChinaFlag:

Exactly what i'm trying to say.

 

[blain2]

Well the title of the article itself is misleading...there has never been a balance of military power between Pakistan and India, rather degrees of imbalance....For Pakistan when the imbalance gets too great then it becomes worrisome...other than that Pakistan is destined to be outnumbered by India any which way you look at it.

Now in terms of western suppliers not meeting Pakistan's need, that is incorrect. Pakistan has many a deals that are in the works which on the request of GoP are not publicized where as any or every deal that India gets into gets sufficient lime light.

Overall I would not pay too much attention to this report. Companies flocking to sell and then the complications that arise due to politics (esp. from western suppliers) are two different things...while India maybe the cash cow right now, even then there are no guarantees that support. logistics and spares will be provided in case of hostilities....the anti-war lobbies in Europe at least are fairly even-handed when it comes to South Asia (Re: Bofors, Sagem etc.).

 

[HASEEB66]

this article is lacking in substance...it was probably published in some small newpaper in india...despite discrimination and low resources how Pakistan has come forward to develop more advance missile system is OUT OF BELIEVE..the generals in Rawalpindi never tell what is on their mind and what is on the table..nor anybody in Pakistan is ever interested to show what delas they are making..Pakistan has got big orders and IDEAS is itself a big proof that the interested parties have their relationship with people in Ideas deep..Pakistan has always got what is essential keeping in view their needs..and they have done many times..people in New Delhi have always for some reason believed if Pakistan will not get f-16's they will be lacking to match..but they fail to realise with third generation J-17 Thunder build within..India is following a mentality of being a superpower..rushing to purchase large quantitiies..rushing with space programme..something they did'nt realise bigger does'n have to be better..ONE MAN IN SPACE 3,000 PEOPLE SUICIDING EVERY DAY IN THE SUICIDE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD SOUTH INDIA..IS THIS HOW THE WEST OR ASIAN TIGERS PROGRESSED..ONE THING IS FOR SURE INDIA IS STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN BALANCE WITHIN..BUT THEIR STRONG DEMOCRACY AND CONTINUATION OF POLICIES WILL HELP THEM SUSTAIN..BUT SOME INTERNAL WEAKNESSES WHEN EVER THEY COME FORWARD WILL LEAD TO DISASTER....indians have a habbit to take any thing in their favour to the sky....one man sachin tendulkar who never helped them win one big match is like a Bhagwan...people suffering and living in misery is never highlighted this will lead to disaster in the future..one arms deal that never even happened was the most talked about fiction (bangalore it industry vs people living without clean drinking water..sanitation..shelter..nutrition food..clothes in the sub urbans off bangalore)and spending on military to come shoulder to China makes sense for the indians..nobody can understand how..country is for the people not for boundries and arms..

 

[Lilo]

this article is lacking in substance...it was probably published in some small newpaper in india...despite discrimination and low resources how Pakistan has come forward to develop more advance missile system is OUT OF BELIEVE..the generals in Rawalpindi never tell what is on their mind and what is on the table..nor anybody in Pakistan is ever interested to show what delas they are making..Pakistan has got big orders and IDEAS is itself a big proof that the interested parties have their relationship with people in Ideas deep..Pakistan has always got what is essential keeping in view their needs..and they have done many times..people in New Delhi have always for some reason believed if Pakistan will not get f-16's they will be lacking to match..but they fail to realise with third generation J-17 Thunder build within..India is following a mentality of being a superpower..rushing to purchase large quantitiies..rushing with space programme..something they did'nt realise bigger does'n have to be better..ONE MAN IN SPACE 3,000 PEOPLE SUICIDING EVERY DAY IN THE SUICIDE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD SOUTH INDIA..IS THIS HOW THE WEST OR ASIAN TIGERS PROGRESSED..ONE THING IS FOR SURE INDIA IS STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN BALANCE WITHIN..BUT THEIR STRONG DEMOCRACY AND CONTINUATION OF POLICIES WILL HELP THEM SUSTAIN..BUT SOME INTERNAL WEAKNESSES WHEN EVER THEY COME FORWARD WILL LEAD TO DISASTER....indians have a habbit to take any thing in their favour to the sky....one man sachin tendulkar who never helped them win one big match is like a Bhagwan...people suffering and living in misery is never highlighted this will lead to disaster in the future..one arms deal that never even happened was the most talked about fiction (bangalore it industry vs people living without clean drinking water..sanitation..shelter..nutrition food..clothes in the sub urbans off bangalore)and spending on military to come shoulder to China makes sense for the indians..nobody can understand how..country is for the people not for boundries and arms..

Whoa,

Lots of Pent-up-feelings there

 

[Spring Onion]

Well the title of the article itself is misleading...there has never been a balance of military power between Pakistan and India, rather degrees of imbalance....For Pakistan when the imbalance gets too great then it becomes worrisome...other than that Pakistan is destined to be outnumbered by India any which way you look at it.

Now in terms of western suppliers not meeting Pakistan's need, that is incorrect. Pakistan has many a deals that are in the works which on the request of GoP are not publicized where as any or every deal that India gets into gets sufficient lime light.

Overall I would not pay too much attention to this report. Companies flocking to sell and then the complications that arise due to politics (esp. from western suppliers) are two different things...while India maybe the cash cow right now, even then there are no guarantees that support. logistics and spares will be provided in case of hostilities....the anti-war lobbies in Europe at least are fairly even-handed when it comes to South Asia (Re: Bofors, Sagem etc.).

:army: couldnt reply it better than that Sir

And why to bother about Indian Propoganda its the way they had to as they are very good at that and are spending a huge sum of money to pay the authors for such write ups and have many website specially to kick propoganda about Pakistan.

And the last but not the least when they are compared with China even thn they have authors predicting way tooooooooooo before about failur of chines satalites so dont worry

 

[niaz]

this article is lacking in substance...it was probably published in some small newpaper in india...despite discrimination and low resources how Pakistan has come forward to develop more advance missile system is OUT OF BELIEVE..the generals in Rawalpindi never tell what is on their mind and what is on the table..nor anybody in Pakistan is ever interested to show what delas they are making..Pakistan has got big orders and IDEAS is itself a big proof that the interested parties have their relationship with people in Ideas deep..Pakistan has always got what is essential keeping in view their needs..and they have done many times..people in New Delhi have always for some reason believed if Pakistan will not get f-16's they will be lacking to match..but they fail to realise with third generation J-17 Thunder build within..India is following a mentality of being a superpower..rushing to purchase large quantitiies..rushing with space programme..something they did'nt realise bigger does'n have to be better..ONE MAN IN SPACE 3,000 PEOPLE SUICIDING EVERY DAY IN THE SUICIDE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD SOUTH INDIA..IS THIS HOW THE WEST OR ASIAN TIGERS PROGRESSED..ONE THING IS FOR SURE INDIA IS STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN BALANCE WITHIN..BUT THEIR STRONG DEMOCRACY AND CONTINUATION OF POLICIES WILL HELP THEM SUSTAIN..BUT SOME INTERNAL WEAKNESSES WHEN EVER THEY COME FORWARD WILL LEAD TO DISASTER....indians have a habbit to take any thing in their favour to the sky....one man sachin tendulkar who never helped them win one big match is like a Bhagwan...people suffering and living in misery is never highlighted this will lead to disaster in the future..one arms deal that never even happened was the most talked about fiction (bangalore it industry vs people living without clean drinking water..sanitation..shelter..nutrition food..clothes in the sub urbans off bangalore)and spending on military to come shoulder to China makes sense for the indians..nobody can understand how..country is for the people not for boundries and arms..

My Hon Compatriot ( I am assuming you are of Pakistani origin). We are all very emotional but we only ignore hard realities to our peril. Regrettably, wars are not won by passion alone. (Please dont quote me Iraq's example, look at the suffering and destruction in Iraq and they still havenot managed to get the US out.) We dont want to be another Iraq or Afghanistan.

India has always had lot more resources than Pakistan. Unless you believe that one Pakistan soldier is equal to 10 Indians and PAF A-5s and Mirage-3 can shoot down IAF Mig 29 or SUK 30 Mk1, it is not possible for Pakistan to beat India in a conventional war. Whether you like it or not, it is the bitter truth. Every one in Pakistani Forces is aware of this fact. That is why since 1971, Pakistan strategy has been to make it too expensive for India to attack us. Atomic weapons were developed as a deterrent; if we are about to lose, even one atomic bomb over a large Indian city may kill upto a million people. Thus India has to think ten times before taking Pakistan on. In 2002, after nearly 1-year eye ball to eye ball contact India finally decide not to attack.

No matter how unplatable;, we must have fortitude to accept the facts.

 

[Bull]

Well the title of the article itself is misleading...there has never been a balance of military power between Pakistan and India, rather degrees of imbalance....For Pakistan when the imbalance gets too great then it becomes worrisome...other than that Pakistan is destined to be outnumbered by India any which way you look at it.

Has to agree with you, its one of those articles which should be ignored. Its meant to address the avg Indian audience.

He says Indians outlay of 35bn as defence expenses for 11 plan period is half of Pakistan's GDP. That's weird. $35 Bn is for 5 years, and he is comparing that to Pakistan's GDP for 1 year.

Now in terms of western suppliers not meeting Pakistan's need, that is incorrect. Pakistan has many a deals that are in the works which on the request of GoP are not publicized where as any or every deal that India gets into gets sufficient lime light.

I don't think that's true. Why would Pakistan want to keep it hush hush.

Overall I would not pay too much attention to this report. Companies flocking to sell and then the complications that arise due to politics (esp. from western suppliers) are two different things...while India maybe the cash cow right now, even then there are no guarantees that support. logistics and spares will be provided in case of hostilities....the anti-war lobbies in Europe at least are fairly even-handed when it comes to South Asia (Re: Bofors, Sagem etc.).

As far as India is concerned Russia and Israel remains as the most trustable suppliers, rest all are prone to pressure groups.

Yankees cannot be trusted they are looking for another " ally of convenience "

 

[sigatoka]

India has always had lot more resources than Pakistan. Unless you believe that one Pakistan soldier is equal to 10 Indians and PAF A-5s and Mirage-3 can shoot down IAF Mig 29 or SUK 30 Mk1, it is not possible for Pakistan to beat India in a conventional war. Whether you like it or not, it is the bitter truth.

I think that is an exaggeration, Japan defeated Russia against stiff odds, Israel defeated Arabs against expectations as well in the initial wars and the portion of Kashmir that is part of Pakistan wasnt kindly handed over by the Indians.

Resources usually but not always dictates victors, lack of resources is no reason to resign oneself to defeat before the conflict has even begun.

 

[Keysersoze]

Look even if we ignore the whole self love article posted, there are points to be made re this in-balance......

1)Look at the size of India. The forces described will have to cover the whole of that country. There are internal as well as external problems for that force to meet. Now look at the size of Pak....The size of the army/airforce/navy is commensurate with its size. Pak punches above it's weight.

2)If you look at India's current inventory, most of it is nearing the end of it's lifespan. They are spending vast sums to replace/maintain their current fleets.

3)As Blain said, all Pak has to do is make it very costly for India to attack. A defensive force will always have an advantage. It only takes a cheap explosive charge to take out a $4 million tank.

4)And on a personal note. I would advise all people who lose their temper to remember one thing. In conflict the coolest head always wins. Remember the example of Salhuddin. He was courteous to his enemies, yet fought well and hard against them.

 

[HASEEB66]

Whoa,

Lots of Pent-up-feelings there

yeah thye may be pent up feelings but if they are untrue let me know..or ask me if you want me to prove it...

 

[HASEEB66]

My Hon Compatriot ( I am assuming you are of Pakistani origin). We are all very emotional but we only ignore hard realities to our peril. Regrettably, wars are not won by passion alone. (Please dont quote me Iraq's example, look at the suffering and destruction in Iraq and they still havenot managed to get the US out.) We dont want to be another Iraq or Afghanistan.

India has always had lot more resources than Pakistan. Unless you believe that one Pakistan soldier is equal to 10 Indians and PAF A-5s and Mirage-3 can shoot down IAF Mig 29 or SUK 30 Mk1, it is not possible for Pakistan to beat India in a conventional war. Whether you like it or not, it is the bitter truth. Every one in Pakistani Forces is aware of this fact. That is why since 1971, Pakistan strategy has been to make it too expensive for India to attack us. Atomic weapons were developed as a deterrent; if we are about to lose, even one atomic bomb over a large Indian city may kill upto a million people. Thus India has to think ten times before taking Pakistan on. In 2002, after nearly 1-year eye ball to eye ball contact India finally decide not to attack.

No matter how unplatable;, we must have fortitude to accept the facts.

:army: dear sir....i am of pakistan origion born in london...and i am A VERY PROUD ****..i believe what i said was rational....and i beliebve now you are talking fiction like joseph heller.....i wount go far ARAB HISTORY & SALAHUDDIN AYUBI (BATTLE OF BADR) which the indians copied in one of their war movies proves how people with less resources won against the ones with HUGE stocks of amunation and manpower..what else do you need to accept it..i will never go to iraq...iraq lost the war because they were not one against their enemy...but challenge NORTH KOREA if you really want to prove what you said..England is not even 1/20 the size of america but they have an economy just third largest..japan is the second largest trader of the world...JUST LIKE RUSSIA YOU CAN LOOK GOOD WITH WEARING CLOTHES FROM HARRODS BUT YOU CANNOT HEAL YOUR DISEASE WITHIN WITH THAT

 

[HASEEB66]

why has the word p...cencored lol..my parents are half Indian half Pakistani..and i just see the reality with farsighteness..