Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

At what stage of development is the Turkish engine?

The one for Gokbey, a general purpose chopper, will be integrated this year. The one for ATAK will be integrated next year for flight tests.....

 

[MastanKhan]

https://asianmilitaryreview.com/2018/11/china-eyes-second-attack-helicopter-opportunity/


The company had earlier dispatched three army aviation Z-10s to Pakistan for testing by the army in 2016. However, the service eventually selected the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T129 ATAK attack helicopters because the Z-10s reportedly did not meet performance and reliability requirements for austere environments.

AVIC subsidiary Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) then went back to the drawing board with detailed test data accumulated from in-country testing and rolled out the new Z-10ME, which is believed to feature a more powerful 1,200kW engine as well as an extensive active and passive defensive aide suite.

Hi,

There is a large chunk of bribe involved in the deal with Turkey---very large---.

Otherwise any deal of that scale with Turkey where the main power source was coming from the US---was full of deceit---.

This is a true case of sabotaging pakistan's defense and offense capabilities---.

Now the question could be asked and should be asked---the GENERAL & the defense minister responsible for signing the deal---were they on India's payroll---.

Because a Pakistani General & defense minister holding his loyalties with pakistan would never have signed this contract with Turkey---.

There is nothing wrong with Turkey---but the situation and timing of the contract shows deceit and fraud at the highest level---.

 

[mingle]

Hi,

There is a large chunk of bribe involved in the deal with Turkey---very large---.

Otherwise any deal of that scale with Turkey where the main power source was coming from the US---was full of deceit---.

This is a true case of sabotaging pakistan's defense and offense capabilities---.

Now the question could be asked and should be asked---the GENERAL & the defense minister responsible for signing the deal---were they on India's payroll---.

Because a Pakistani General & defense minister holding his loyalties with pakistan would never have signed this contract with Turkey---.

There is nothing wrong with Turkey---but the situation and timing of the contract shows deceit and fraud at the highest level---.

NS & Co were involve in deal remember LNG Abbasi was taking rides?? You got a good point here basically AH1z and T129 deal is on same boat name America.

 

[Dazzler]

https://asianmilitaryreview.com/2018/11/china-eyes-second-attack-helicopter-opportunity/


The company had earlier dispatched three army aviation Z-10s to Pakistan for testing by the army in 2016. However, the service eventually selected the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T129 ATAK attack helicopters because the Z-10s reportedly did not meet performance and reliability requirements for austere environments.

AVIC subsidiary Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) then went back to the drawing board with detailed test data accumulated from in-country testing and rolled out the new Z-10ME, which is believed to feature a more powerful 1,200kW engine as well as an extensive active and passive defensive aide suite.

Initial testing of ME has commenced in China.

@Hodor

NS & Co were involve in deal remember LNG Abbasi was taking rides?? You got a good point here basically AH1z and T129 deal is on same boat name America.

There is no conspiracy here.

First ATAKs were supposed to arrive by late 2020 but the Ban on turboshafts delayed it by a year. The indigenous engine was already at advanced testing phase.

 

[Zulfiqar]

Initial testing of ME has commenced in China.

@Hodor

There is no conspiracy here.

First ATAKs were supposed to arrive by late 2020 but the Ban on turboshafts delayed it by a year. The indigenous engine was already at advanced testing phase.

So are we testing the ME again or are the chinese doing it?

Will PA wait for the ATAK or will the contract lapse after the extension period?

What about ME, will PA also buy it in future if it meets the benchmark set or will we stick with ATAK.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

You're being paranoid on this one.

Hi,

There is a large chunk of bribe involved in the deal with Turkey---very large---.

Otherwise any deal of that scale with Turkey where the main power source was coming from the US---was full of deceit---.

This is a true case of sabotaging pakistan's defense and offense capabilities---.

Now the question could be asked and should be asked---the GENERAL & the defense minister responsible for signing the deal---were they on India's payroll---.

Because a Pakistani General & defense minister holding his loyalties with pakistan would never have signed this contract with Turkey---.

There is nothing wrong with Turkey---but the situation and timing of the contract shows deceit and fraud at the highest level---.

 

[Pandora]

I imagine a new engine could take a decade to develop why is there such a high confidence one would be ready shortly?


Russia would probs be a good source for alternative engine options or entirely different heli with similar specs

US/Russia/China will never sell their engienes mainly bcz they dont want any competition in market. If Turkey could procure Russian engines then they would have done so already.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

There is a large chunk of bribe involved in the deal with Turkey---very large---.

Otherwise any deal of that scale with Turkey where the main power source was coming from the US---was full of deceit---.

This is a true case of sabotaging pakistan's defense and offense capabilities---.

Now the question could be asked and should be asked---the GENERAL & the defense minister responsible for signing the deal---were they on India's payroll---.

Because a Pakistani General & defense minister holding his loyalties with pakistan would never have signed this contract with Turkey---.

There is nothing wrong with Turkey---but the situation and timing of the contract shows deceit and fraud at the highest level---.

Be a dacoit, but not a fool...

If true, some folks at the least have graduated up to the "dacoit" stage...

Initial testing of ME has commenced in China.

@Hodor

There is no conspiracy here.

First ATAKs were supposed to arrive by late 2020 but the Ban on turboshafts delayed it by a year. The indigenous engine was already at advanced testing phase.

Pak may end up having both!!! @Oscar has already suggested it...

 

[Gryphon]

Hi,

There is a large chunk of bribe involved in the deal with Turkey---very large---.

Otherwise any deal of that scale with Turkey where the main power source was coming from the US---was full of deceit---.

This is a true case of sabotaging pakistan's defense and offense capabilities---.

Now the question could be asked and should be asked---the GENERAL & the defense minister responsible for signing the deal---were they on India's payroll---.

Because a Pakistani General & defense minister holding his loyalties with pakistan would never have signed this contract with Turkey---.

There is nothing wrong with Turkey---but the situation and timing of the contract shows deceit and fraud at the highest level---.

Mastan shb, corruption allegations aside, the reason this deal hasn't already been cancelled appears to be the US$ 1.565 bn loan secured from Turkey. On the part of US, the PAA convinces itself that DELAYING != REFUSING and still has some hopes left which reflects in the 12-month extension.
It doesn't want the evaluation / testing, contract negotiations and financing process to repeat and consume another 3-4 years while 31 sqn at Multan is slated to have its Cobras retired.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Mastan shb, corruption allegations aside, the reason this deal hasn't already been cancelled appears to be the US$ 1.565 bn loan secured from Turkey. On the part of US, the PAA convinces itself that DELAYING != REFUSING and still has some hopes left which reflects in the 12-month extension.
It doesn't want the evaluation / testing, contract negotiations and financing process to repeat and consume another 3-4 years while 31 sqn at Multan is slated to have its Cobras retired.

Then why we are testing Z 10ME?

 

[GriffinsRule]

Then why we are testing Z 10ME?

Who said we are...

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Turkish TS-1500 engine will fly with Turkish Gökbey Helicopter in 2020.
Serial production / certification will take few more years.

What is your source that he will make his first flight with ts1400 in 2020?

 

[Turan09]

What is your source that he will make his first flight with ts1400 in 2020?

Temel Kotil.
http://www.kokpit.aero/temel-kotil-gokbey-yerli-motor

 

[Beast]

Who said we are...

@Dazzler say it....

 

[Dazzler]

ATAK and Z-10 will both be inducted eventually.

Just a matter of time.