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Pakistan Army's Resistance in 1965 - Psychological Impact on IA brass.

Why you guys are fighting and covering your weaknesses of 1965?
Your officials, media and related personalities' writings are clearing that Armed Forces of Pakistan, penetrated the ARSE of Indian armed forces.
I wonder, how a general could remove his ranks and just hide in a sugar-cane field. To him, his life was bigger than the nation's dignity. And for us NO dignity is bigger than our people and our Nation. You are COWARDS, and with your words, elaborations and quarrels, you cannot hide your defeat. History witnesses everything. :)
lol ur army was in sialkot sector trying desperately to defend lahore almost all ur major attack in indian soil were badly mauled
 
Ok...Ok! So Pakistan won the 1965 war and captured all of Kashmir and almost planted the green crescent flag on the Red Fort, thanks to the unmitigated success of their Operation Grand Slam and Operation Gibraltar.

But hey! The last time I visited Kashmir, I didn't need a Pakistani visa!! So I guess Kashmir must still be part of India in spite of what our esteemed Pakistani friends keep insisting about the hammering and defeat of the Indian Army at the hands of the super Pak Army in 1965! Strange!

I think we must turn to that Vulcan, Mr Spock of Star Trek fame, to figure out the logic here! :P
 
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Haq's Musings: Inside Story: Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi in 1965 War?

"...a major battle the west of the Beas would end in the destruction of the Indian Army and thereafter allow the enemy (Pakistani) forces to push to the gates of Delhi without much resistance." 1965 WAR-The Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan As Pakistanis honor the memory of their 1965 war heroes on Defense of Pakistan Day today, let us review some snippets of how the war looked from the other side. R.D. Pradhan and Harbakhsh Singh were both insiders who participated in the 1965 India-Pakistan war. While Pradhan was a civilian working for Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan, General Harbakhash Singh was commanding Indian troops on the front-lines. Both have written books drawing upon their first-hand knowledge of how the war started, unfolded and ended in September, 1965.



In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic" of his book "1965 War-The Inside Story", R.D. Pradhan describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When Pakistan Defense Forces counter-attacked the intruding Indian military and the general was fired upon on Sept 6, 1965, he "ran away". Here's an excerpt:

"On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga (Nissan P60 Jeep) to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer."

Chapter 12 of Pradhan's book is titled "Retreat to Beas" in which there is detailed discussion of Indian COAS's proposal for the Indian Army to retreat behind Beas in the face of Pakistan's fierce counter-attacks after India's attempted incursion in Lahore. Pradhan argues in this chapter that during the 1965 war with Pakistan, Indian COAS General Chaudhuri feared that "a major battle the west of the Beas would end in the destruction of the Indian Army and thereafter allow the enemy (Pakistani) forces to push to the gates of Delhi without much resistance".




Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads:

Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.


In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, according to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only "did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged. The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation".

According to Shekhar Gupta, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive linebehind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan. Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.




Beyond the Indian insiders quoted above, here is how several non-Pakistani journalists have covered the war:

The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:

"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.

"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"

"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."


In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:

"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".


Pakistani President Ayub Khan (R) and Indian Prime Minister Shastri

USA - Aviation week - December 1968 issue:

"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.

India was the first to accept UN sponsored ceasefire (page 100 of RD Pradhan's book) on Sept 21 followed by Pakistan on Sept 22, bringing the 1965 war to an end on Sept 22, 1965. As the ceasefire took effect, Indian Defense Y.B. Chavan wrote in his diary as follows:

"The ball is now in the political court again--where it should be--and not in the military one. I hope we have the vision and courage to (our) political leadership."

Alas, the core issue of Kashmir still remains unresolved 48 years since Mr. Chavan wrote his words of wisdom.

Haq's Musings: Inside Story: Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi in 1965 War?

Here's a Coke Studio video of a popular Pakistani song from 1965 war:

The conclusions from this article -

1. Pakistan won the war.

2. Kashmir was lost.

3. The Indian Air Force ceased to exist.

4. A command jeep was captured (hence the victory of Pakistan)

5. All Pakistani gains were given up in the Tashkent Conference. India was saved from being annexed by Pakistan.


Kashmir is still with India....WTF? If we were really at the gates of Delhi then why stood there or backed off? Why not crossed it over and it should have resulted in a humiliating defeat for India. Something doesn't add up. Why accept the cease fire when you can soundly defeat the enemy.
Please don't spoil this thread. Your dose of reality is harmful for us having some fun.
 
hindus have always remained meek, weak, slave, and conquered people when it comes to military wars and struggles
Yep. And a quick conversion changes all that - does it not? :azn:

Raja wanted to give whole Kashmir and G/B regions to india...guess wha
Nope. He wanted to save his ***.

Pakistani counter attack captured Khem Kharan and cut-off supplies to any further indian attacks
Khem Karan lay in a different sector. No relation to the Lahore operation. Check the map. :) Even that was cleared after the battle of Asal Uttar where we got 97 Patton tanks as gift from the PA.
 
Despite what Indians say... it is a fact that Indian army was pushed with an iron fist... there dream to have breakfast in Lahore came true and they ate Bullets and bombs very well... seldom bight was expensive for IA

Gates didn't open? Why PA went back?
Pakistan Army came to Dehli to handover the lost Indian Army to Intelligent Indian Govt :D job was done well man you should thank PA ;)
 
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Open fact is that we still own J&K, people of J&K using Passport of "Republic of India", every time you tried to capture it just faced humiliation nothing else, undisputed victory is something like Naval war of 71 where we destroyed you entire Naval installation in Karachi and you watched is as a sitting duck. Not when you attack cowardly Indian air fields without declaration of war in 65.




So just by converting your religion from Hinduism you became mard e memon ???
And yes by converting from Hinduism we become Mard-e-Mommin Allhamdulillah!!! u got a problem with that?
I am a Kashmiri and we are with Pakistan not India !! :pakistan:
 
Raja wanted to give whole Kashmir and G/B regions to india...guess what?

Passport to G/B regions and Azad Kashmir is still issued by Pakistanis. So nothing to brag there.

You faced the utter humiliation of signing the agreement of stalemate with a seven times smaller adversary.



:rofl:

india invaded Lahore on 6th september (albeit that ended in humiliation as indian attack was destroyed by numerically inferior Pakistani forces..and Pakistani counter attack captured Khem Kharan and cut-off supplies to any further indian attacks).

PAF attacked and bombed poor iaf and destroyed its aircrafts and bases on 7th September.

Unless in your hindu mythology...7 comes before 6...PAF spanked iaf's *** AFTER the war was well beyond the point of "start"....



Yes.

We adapted a superior civilizational existence...a superior ideology...and left our barbarian ways behind.

In a one of the heated arguments my friend keep on saying that pakistanis are liars liars liars.......... and I keep on rejecting his words continuously but now you defeated me in front of him..... :(

This picture speaks everything.:D

Yes.... this picture speaks everything...... size does not matter
 
Mighty Indian Army :( a big lol :D :D :D


please read the sub-clause "if u understand....." if u don't i will be waiting for another breakfast ;)
But it is already past lunch time. You will have to wait at least 15 hours for another breakfast, otherwise it wont be called a breakfast.
 
Please use your brain if u can... Breakfast was due in Indian Army in Lahore :D hope u got what i was saying
A person generally uses hands and mouth for breakfast, not brains. And I guess it was yours truly who started the war by crossing the border to annex J&K, and ended up defending Lahore :angel:. War objective achieved?
 
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Open fact is that we still own J&K, people of J&K using Passport of "Republic of India", every time you tried to capture it just faced humiliation nothing else, undisputed victory is something like Naval war of 71 where we destroyed you entire Naval installation in Karachi and you watched is as a sitting duck. Not when you attack cowardly Indian air fields without declaration of war in 65.
they use indian passports but they root for pakistan, they fly pakistani flags and in their bodies runs pakistani blood.
its been 50 years and even today they want to be with pakistan.
 

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