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[Signalian]

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But near Fazilka, Sulimanke it is favourable.

Fazilka cantt has an infantry brigade?

 

[HRK]

Have u seen the terrain ahead of Okara towards Bhatinda?

plz elaborate in more detail ...

 

[Raja Porus]

Fazilka cantt has an infantry brigade?

AFAIK an inf bde or a mech inf bde.

 

[Signalian]

plz elaborate in more detail ...

AFAIk

If elements of 14th Div along with its armor manage to capture Fazilka somehow, the T-59s would have accomplished more than what is expected from them. The terrain is mostly plains and probably has man made obstacles. If II Corps decides to operate in this area, then entrance from Fazilka could be a point where it can turn south towards Abohar, north-west towards Farid Kot or towards Bhatinda. 14th Div can either let II Corps take over the bridgehead it created or defend Fazilka and other surrounding areas till the end of war. It would be up to T-80s of 1st Armd Div to further exploit the region if Command thinks so.

14th Div may also have to advance or take Jalalabad if it falls with in AOR, however considering that it functions under command of 31 Corps then probably it's AOR could be south of Fazilka.

 

[SQ8]

We need to do away with the mindset that says smaller forces can only equalize or deter. Smaller militaries can win by using superior technologies, better tactics, and exploiting enemy's vulnerabilities. If you prepare with this mindset, you will win Insha Allah. But if your mindset is defeatist from the start, you cannot hope to achieve victory.

I don’t the mindset comes from only size but access to technology and tactics. If you do not have access to superior technology or are unaware of the latest tactics then all you can do is deter. While a positive mindset is great, it doesn’t have any impact when not paired with good decisions. Good decisions come from a combination of knowledge and humility.

The C-130 ssg raid in 65 is a good example of having the technology but no good knowledge or tactics.

 

[CriticalThought]

I don’t the mindset comes from only size but access to technology and tactics. If you do not have access to superior technology or are unaware of the latest tactics then all you can do is deter. While a positive mindset is great, it doesn’t have any impact when not paired with good decisions. Good decisions come from a combination of knowledge and humility.

The C-130 ssg raid in 65 is a good example of having the technology but no good knowledge or tactics.

Agreed. As in all other walks of life, we need capable people to make good decisions. And if the leadership isn't taking active steps to create such an environment - well that's just extremely poor leadership.

 

[SQ8]

Agreed. As in all other walks of life, we need capable people to make good decisions. And if the leadership isn't taking active steps to create such an environment - well that's just extremely poor leadership.

Where did it come from? How many agree on that poor leadership aspect? After all, next door to the west is a great example of poor leadership that was so widely rejected that its military refused to fight for it - we clearly aren’t in that scenario here.

 

[ghazi52]

‘Pakistan has no favourites in Afghanistan’,
COAS tells US diplomat

US envoy thanked Gen Qamar for special assistance in the evacuation operations from Kabul, says ISPR


News Desk
August 27, 2021

PHOTO: ISPR
While saying Pakistan's sole aim is helping achieve peaceful, sovereign, stable and prosperous Afghanistan, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa said that Pakistan has no "favourites" in Afghanistan, the military said.

According to the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the army chief expressed these remarks during a meeting with US Charge d’ Affairs to Pakistan Angela Aggeler who called on him at the General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi on Friday.

The military's media wing said that during the meeting matters of mutual interest, regional security and the recent situation in Afghanistan were discussed in detail.

"Pakistan has no favourites in Afghanistan and our sole aim is helping achieve peaceful,
sovereign stable and prosperous Afghanistan," the COAS was quoted as saying by the ISPR.

Gen Qamar also strongly condemned the terrorist attacks at the Kabul airport and expressed sorrow over the loss of precious lives, it added.

The statement said that the army chief also reiterated the combined resolve to fight terrorism and extremism to the core.

The visiting dignitary, according to the ISPR, appreciated Pakistan's efforts in promoting regional peace and stability and thanked the COAS for the special assistance in the evacuation operations from Kabul.
The meeting comes a day after 85 people, including 13 US soldiers, were killed by an Islamic State (IS) suicide bomber as American forces help to evacuate Afghans desperate to flee the Taliban rule.
General Frank McKenzie, head of US Central Command, said US commanders are on alert for more attacks by Islamic State, including possible rockets or vehicle-borne bombs targeting the airport.

"We're doing everything we can to be prepared," he said, adding that some intelligence is being shared with the Taliban and that he believed "some attacks have been thwarted by them."

US forces are racing to complete their withdrawal from Afghanistan by an August 31 deadline set by President Joe Biden, who says the United States had long ago achieved its original rationale for invading the country in 2001: to root out al Qaeda militants and prevent a repeat of the Sept 11 attacks on the United States.

Biden said he had ordered the Pentagon to plan how to strike ISIS-K, the Islamic State affiliate that claimed responsibility.

"We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay," the US president said during televised comments from the White House.

On Thursday, chief of the UK Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) Richard Moore called on General Qamar and discussed matters of mutual interests particularly evolving situation in Afghanistan, the military said in a statement.

During the meeting, the army chief said that Pakistan is helping achieve a peaceful, stable and prosperous Afghanistan.

“Pakistan is willing to do whatever is possible to help Afghanistan achieve an inclusive settlement which is vital for regional peace and prosperity,” the statement quoted Gen Qamar as saying.

Last week, while addressing the faculty and cadets during a visit to the Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) in Kakul, Gen Qamar reiterated that Pakistan wanted national and regional peace and development, and would continue to play its role for peace and stability in Afghanistan.

 

[Raja Porus]

14th Div can either let II Corps take over the bridgehead it created

If I'm not wrong in 71, 105 inf bde(which included Shabbir Shareef's 6FF) had made a similar bridge head in suliemanke which could've been exploited in a move towards Fazilka?

 

[Signalian]

If I'm not wrong in 71, 105 inf bde(which included Shabbir Shareef's 6FF) had made a similar bridge head in suliemanke which could've been exploited in a move towards Fazilka?

yes and why wasn't it exploited ?

 

[Reichmarshal]

That is again at grand strategic level, as I mentioned. However regardless of political and diplomatic developments military planning should be done to prevent any surprises and as a last resort.

Cost. Moreover, AFAIK only Gujranwala Corps was equipped with them.

AFAIK VT4s are being used for replacement and is currently replacing 6th armd div. Also I believe AZs will be kept very much on the frontlines, most probably in form of IABGs as they are still better than most of the indian tanks.

When replacements become available in nos. AZ will be removed from Frontline service n transfered to FC wings.
This decision was make some time ago.

If I'm not wrong in 71, 105 inf bde(which included Shabbir Shareef's 6FF) had made a similar bridge head in suliemanke which could've been exploited in a move towards Fazilka?

Hindsight is a good thing but unfortunately wars don't happen in hindsight.

 

[CriticalThought]

Where did it come from? How many agree on that poor leadership aspect? After all, next door to the west is a great example of poor leadership that was so widely rejected that its military refused to fight for it - we clearly aren’t in that scenario here.

Sorry, just making sure you haven't levelled some deep sarcasm at our leadership. We are supposed to feel good by comparing ourselves to a failed, corrupt government that was installed as puppets by occupying forces? Am I reading this correctly?

 

[Raja Porus]

Hindsight is a good thing but unfortunately wars don't happen in hindsight.

Actually I was ASKING if that particular bridgehead could be used for an offense by II Corps towards Fazilka?

When replacements become available in nos. AZ will be removed from Frontline service n transfered to FC wings.

I doubt that AZs will be transferred to FC any time soon. They can still perform better than most Indian tanks plus AFAIK,since 2010 PA has been raising more new regts instead of replacing older ones. Thus we can expect PA to form IABGs with these AZs before transferring them to FC.

 

[Reichmarshal]

I doubt that AZs will be transferred to FC any time soon. They can still perform better than most Indian tanks plus AFAIK,since 2010 PA has been raising more new regts instead of replacing older ones. Thus we can expect PA to form IABGs with these AZs before transferring them to FC.

Maray bhai plz no argument on this....wt I tell u has already been decided.
Like I said as soon as replacements become available AZ will go.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Actually I was ASKING if that particular bridgehead could be used for an offense by II Corps towards Fazilka?

Yara hindsight is one deadly thing.
Eg in 71 in East Pakistan PA had less than 3500 fighting men. While literally faced the full might of IA.
The plan was always to fall back to Decca n defend. As Decca had very strong natural defences but gen. niazi preffered to surrunder n safe live rather than fight a useless battle.
My grand father who happened to be a pow in East Pakistan, during his last days was admitted in cmh rwp. Coincidently Gen. Niazi was also admitted their n once he found out that my grandfather was admitted their, he wanted to see him. But my grandfather flatly refused n was very angry even in that state.
As most of the solders would have preffered to die than to surrender to IA.