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Pakistan armoured corps with Wajahat Saeed Khan.

thx, I think he talked about the effective range and not the maximum, can you hit with your eyes a target beyond 300 meters ?
Perhaps, but It is not easy with HK's drum iron sights.

Hehe, according to MKEK, the max range of the G3 is 3700 meters, while with some sights, 400m.
But I think one could hit a target at 600m with relative ease using the right optics, since the G3's rear iron sights are only adjustable to 400m.
That way, the M16 should not be of much use beyond 150-200m. Perhaps 300-400 with an ACOG.


The US Army preaches an 800 meter maximum effective range for the .308, While USMC says 915m. This was probably tested with AR rifles chambered in 308.
 
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Can you indicate which regiment is this ? Provided of course its not confidential.

The reason why I ask is that the colors of the pennant on the tank and scarf worn by the officer are identical to an Indian regiment .

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Just its a 9 ton local modification .. A 43.7 ton tank...
Which include Thetis FCS,new 125mm smoothbore,ERA,NBC,composite armour,RCS,IBMS,Jammers,warning system,auto loader etc etc .. Just over 54 modifications..

The local modification I was refering to are the those on the turret of the tank below.

Does this weigh 9 tonnes ?

The rest that you have listed are upgrades we are aware of.



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Can you indicate which regiment is this ? Provided of course its not confidential.

The reason why I ask is that the colors of the pennant on the tank and scarf worn by the officer are identical to an Indian regiment .

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The local modification I was refering to are the those on the turret of the tank below.

Does this weigh 9 tonnes ?

The rest that you have listed are upgrades we are aware of.



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To your question about the Regiment of the Al-Khalid Tank:
Sindh -Karachi-V Corps-Malir Cantt-25 Mechanized Infantry Division Malir, May be that helps you.

But in which context did you post again the picture of a destroyed Pakistani Tank ? What is the point ?
 
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Can you indicate which regiment is this ? Provided of course its not confidential.

The reason why I ask is that the colors of the pennant on the tank and scarf worn by the officer are identical to an Indian regiment .

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The local modification I was refering to are the those on the turret of the tank below.

Does this weigh 9 tonnes ?

The rest that you have listed are upgrades we are aware of.



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Yes AZ weighs 43.7 tons.. Type 59 barely 36 tons.


Those modules saved the tank above from penetration -- thus saving the crew.
 
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Yes AZ weighs 43.7 tons.. Type 59 barely 36 tons.


Those modules saved the tank above from penetration -- thus saving the crew.

A selam the latest Version of Al-Zarrar (see the picture which I posted above) does not show ERA-Blocks ? Why is that so ?
 
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Bro .. It's not a very complicated procu

That may be, but I do not understand the background to this, I do not think the developers of HIT have in this last version of Al-Zarrar planned to permanently install ERA block, the old versions of the Al-Zarra Tanks which have not a compact and modern designe, have permanently ERA blocks. I thought maybe you'd have an explanation? It does not make any sense, while Alkhalids have all time ERA Blocks on their turrets and Al-Zarrar not. Also what I notice is there is the little window near the 125mm barrel of the AlKhalid this place is for the 7.62mm gun, But I have never seen that it is installed by default on all Al-Kahlid Tanks, is there no more need for the 7,62mm gun ? May be our respect Member @Dazzler can also sheet more light on this both issues ?

For better understanding here are some pictures of the Goryunov SGMT machine gun and its place in the Tank - 7.62x54mm which is claimed to be in every Al-Kahlid Tank.

A coaxial machine gun is a machine gun fitted to a coaxial mount as a secondary weapon beside a vehicle's main weapon. This allows the machine gun to be aimed by use of the main gun control. It is used to engage infantry or other "soft" targets when the main gun's potential collateral damage would be excessive, or to conserve its ammunition.

That is called the Coax MG embrasure (by the AlKhalid the embrasure is always closed).

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SGMT machine gun:
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I think this picture shows a Al-zarrar Tank of the latest Version with ERA BLOCKS, @DESERT FIGHTER you are right !




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That may be, but I do not understand the background to this, I do not think the developers of HIT have in this last version of Al-Zarrar planned to permanently install ERA block, the old versions of the Al-Zarra Tanks which have not a compact and modern designe, have permanently ERA blocks. I thought maybe you'd have an explanation? It does not make any sense, while Alkhalids have all time ERA Blocks on their turrets and Al-Zarrar not. Also what I notice is there is the little window near the 125mm barrel of the AlKhalid this place is for the 7.62mm gun, But I have never seen that it is installed by default on all Al-Kahlid Tanks, is there no more need for the 7,62mm gun ? May be our respect Member @Dazzler can also sheet more light on this both issues ?

For better understanding here are some pictures of the Goryunov SGMT machine gun and its place in the Tank - 7.62x54mm which is claimed to be in every Al-Kahlid Tank.

A coaxial machine gun is a machine gun fitted to a coaxial mount as a secondary weapon beside a vehicle's main weapon. This allows the machine gun to be aimed by use of the main gun control. It is used to engage infantry or other "soft" targets when the main gun's potential collateral damage would be excessive, or to conserve its ammunition.

That is called the Coax MG embrasure (by the AlKhalid the embrasure is always closed).

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SGMT machine gun:
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I think this picture shows a Al-zarrar Tank of the latest Version with ERA BLOCKS, @DESERT FIGHTER you are right !




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I am not entirely sure by they might have their ERA blocks removed as when tanks are operating in close proximity with troops (as they are in the ops in FATA) then ERA blocks can be dangerous for the nearby troops.
 
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@Jat Boy


Whats your background to make such baseless statements ? Do you know anything about military warfare ? I will take the time to give you a equal response in minutes.

The Al-Zarrar Tanks are not our frontline Tanks, but the second line. While moving exposed in an urban environment, dismounted Pakistani infantry troops may be subjected to intense hostile fire, sources of which are difficult to locate. Normal small unit weapons lack adequate firepower for subduing well protected enemy bunkers and, especially, carefully camouflaged positions in buildings. Decentralized tactical movements through built-up areas results in severe difficulties in maintaining control and mutual identification. In this type of situation, the danger of fratricide casualties also becomes acute. This inferiority can be compensated for by using armored vehicles like the ones available Tank Al-Zarrar. Al-Zarrar Tank are adequately protected by add-on armor or other protective suites capable of withstanding Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPG).
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The Pakistani Al-Zarrar Tanks can be deployed as support weapons for infantry assaults, an infantry support weapon in the breakthrough of defence lines role. Once an attack supported by infantry, tanks had broken through heavily defended areas in the enemy lines, faster tanks such as Al-Khalid or T-80 UD can expected to use their higher speed and longer range to operate far behind the front and cutlines of supply and communications or attack enemy Tank formations. Tanks and other armored vehicles are not invincible, especially in urban terrain, where they are vulnerable to attacks from close range by man-portable anti-tank weapons such as RPGs. Since the urban scenario has no "frontline", attacks can come not only from the front, where the tanks are heavily protected, but also from above, and from the flanks or the rear, aiming at the vehicle's weak spots. Attacks by IEDs and mines can also come from below the surface. The picture of the destroyed Al-Zarrar Tank seen above took a lot of hits and even then the crew survived. More importantly it served as magnate for TTP fire enabling other units to locate their ambush locations.
Although urban warfare is not exactly the tanker's dream, a significant number of future battles will inevitably take place in this environment. The value of tank support cannot be underestimated in this high-risk environment, in which a commander wishes to use all available combat elements in order to reduce casualties. Modifications to tanks for use in urban combat conditions will continue to make them indispensable partners in the future war fighting team.

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The advantage of such Independent Al-Zarrar Brigades is their Fast and close fire support which no other weapon in our inventory can give and that at LOW costs, while they can easily join the heavier and modern armored units as second attack line, here we come to the tactic which is called Panzerkeil.

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The panzerkeil is an offensive formation used by armoured corps. The tanks would form into awedge-shaped formation, with the most heavily armed and armoured Tanks forming the tip, that are the Al-Khalid and T-80UD Tanks, ,T-85IIMP upgraded the base (where available), with the Al-Zarrar the wings.
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There are many other tactic and strategies why Pakistan armoured Corps did make the decision not scrap the
Type-59IIM but to give them a second live !






Khan was born in Quetta, Balochistan and was schooled at the Karachi Grammar School where he was the editor of the school magazine, The Grammarian. He majored in Political Science and History from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor where he reported for and edited The Michigan Daily. He is also the first Pakistani to have been nominated as a fellow at Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, Harvard University.......
there was a member on here a few years ago who said his cousin who was in the pak army stated that the AL-zarar was unreliable and could be taken out easily with 1 RPG hit, he went on to say that the ordinary T-59 provided better protection then the AL-zarar, the picture of the destroyed alzarar was from the wana area i believe back in 2009 in that picture there is no crater, and the are multiple penetrations around the hull or turret, i don't believe this myth that it took multiple hits and sustained a massive IED hit before getting destroyed. I don't think the AL-zarar is that useful, it would be better to upgrade some of 1000+ APC to IFV standard with the help of china and turkey, to me AL-zarar looks good but doesn't fight good.
 
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there was a member on here a few years ago who said his cousin who was in the pak army stated that the AL-zarar was unreliable and could be taken out easily with 1 RPG hit, he went on to say that the ordinary T-59 provided better protection then the AL-zarar, the picture of the destroyed alzarar was from the wana area i believe back in 2009 in that picture there is no crater, and the are multiple penetrations around the hull or turret, i don't believe this myth that it took multiple hits and sustained a massive IED hit before getting destroyed. I don't think the AL-zarar is that useful, it would be better to upgrade some of 1000+ APC to IFV standard with the help of china and turkey, to me AL-zarar looks good but doesn't fight good.


Read my posts above carefully, I already explained military warfare is based on tactic and strategy not only who drives the best equipment, there is no war without human live losses. I share your Idea about heavier IFV, but its a question of funds and resources, Pakistan is not Saudia Arabia.
 
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Read my posts above carefully, I already explained military warfare is based on tactic and strategy not only who drives the best equipment, there is no war without human live losses. I share your Idea about heavier IFV, but its a question of funds and resources, Pakistan is not Saudia Arabia.
i dont think an rpg or 2 rpgs would be able to creat a crater in ground clue :look at tank's trek plates
i sriously think it had 2-4 rpg hits from side + torret etc is still undamaged and usable + u said tht somebuddy said ordinery t is better then alzarar (upgraded veriant:cheesy: :rofl:) dude if u think like tht folk then put ur head in sand i dont need to tell u something more:closed:
 
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Read my posts above carefully, I already explained military warfare is based on tactic and strategy not only who drives the best equipment, there is no war without human live losses. I share your Idea about heavier IFV, but its a question of funds and resources, Pakistan is not Saudia Arabia.
do you have any realization that the enemy we are facing is 3x our size, we need to inflict maximum damage whilst sustaining minmal dammage because the longer the war progresses the smaller army will erode faster, in order to do this we need the best technology.
 
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do you have any realization that the enemy we are facing is 3x our size, we need to inflict maximum damage whilst sustaining minmal dammage because the longer the war progresses the smaller army will erode faster, in order to do this we need the best technology.

I can understand your wishes, for this we need first the best economy. But Pakistan is also made for a human folk to have prosper live than in India and not only to build the strongest and largest Army. We can improve always our Army by better tactic, strategy and training and India will never start a grande invasion, till we posses 500 missiles with nuclear warheads. The Nuclear deterence is normaly enough for India, Pakistan must now concentrate on intern security, improving the security situation means more investments from outside and a grow for the folk economy. At the moment we have to clean our Cities and hills from the terrorists, for that our current equipment is more than enough !
 
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