Pakistan And The SU-35 Saga Continues

[K_Bin_W]

We should stay away from Russian aircraft, they're cursed. Anyone who flies them losses the engagement.
65
71
80s war against USSR
Arab Israel wars
Gulf war
Abninandan thrashing and many more

Nothing wrong with Russian hardware... The issue is more likely the man behind the machine.

 

[Abid123]

Pakistan should only use US make aircrafts for reliability, security, safety and durability.

 

[Falcon26]

The only twin engines Pakistan should look forward to are the J-35s or the TFX. Anything else is a waste of resources and time, and fortunately PAF is mature enough to think along those lines.

A fleet of F-16s, J-10Cs and JF-17 BLK III backed by Erieyes, EW platforms and potent AD systems are extremely formidable and should keep any adversary, not just India, out of Pakistan’s wrath.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Yaar meri mano checkmate le lo

 

[kingQamaR]

Since we are in with China now would it not make sense Russia to boost closer ally of China Pakistan with this fighter. take india out of this we really have no issues with each other do we?

 

[JawadKKhan]

Not even worth a thread based on some twitter news.

- Buying power, Maintenance / logistics, Integrations, Training, operational costs, weapon integrations .. you LACK EVERYTHING! Why to exhaust ourselves when nothing suits down this road.

Above all, Why we don't put geo-economics into consideration when thinking of acquisitions.

There is reason why countries are backing out from these planes. Now here's why Pakistan will be the LAST country to do this kind of adventure as US is Pakistan's biggest trade export destination. We are really no one for their economy. But US is extremely important to keep Pakistan's economy afloat. Both US and its allies. They won't resist putting Pakistan under some sort of sanctions. They had done this, can do again especially when narrative against us is not very good looking either .. FATF is another pain in A. The trade can get a massive hit, plus any assistance for 75 odd F-16s, its spares / maintenance / upgrades can become problematic. Lot to lose for 24 jets.

If anyone who can buy those 24 jets is most likely Iran (which is already in santions doesn't care but $$ is problem for them too) Or perhaps india ( which already has massive russian fleet, has none american fighter jet, and is too important ally for US against the america's biggest challenger China )

The possibility was already very low but after J-10C acquisitions its certain that any new platform won't come. Perhaps by end of this decade we may see some next gen fighter. J-10C / JF-17s will already consume a lot of resources & budget in up-gradations and perhaps more quantity during this decade.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

[Speculation only in my comments just opinion -AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Considering no other option exist for Navy , the Su-35 is a ideal bird solves the problem at Sea
Other matter of interest are least important , as the Defensive needs for country should take priority

• F15 was never on offer to us
• No F-15 SE in sight
• No chance of F16 E/F
• No F-16 V in sight
• No F-18 in sight
• No mention of F35

Protecting Pakistan's Sea region fall under Navy / Airforce
The Navy's Sea birds (if Su-35 ) just solidify the defensive setup

In an Idealistic world , availability of plane and it being offered to Pakistan , would be ideal circumstances

Stuff happening between US-Russia is their own matter they are discussing it for last 40 years

 

[Sage]

PAF is never gonna buy anything noticeable ...paisa he nai hay...

 

[ziaulislam]

The original argument was that PAF needs a fast jet for long range maritime strike missions.
Although we have the Mirage-5 PA-3s armed with the Exocet Missiles and the JF-17s equipped with the likes of C-802 but operating single engine jets over water is much more hazardous than on land, a glitch over the sea and even if the pilot bails out, there are little to no chance of recovering him....twin engines provide that little extra safety......hence you find most carrier based aircraft are dual engine.

J10 fits that bill
It can carry two heavy antiship missles with three fuel tanks

Remeber navy doesnt operate independent wing

 

[JawadKKhan]

Considering no other option exist for Navy , the Su-35 is a ideal bird solves the problem at Sea
Other matter of interest are least important , as the Defensive needs for country should take priority

• No F15 SE in sight
• No chance of F16 E/F
• No F16 V in sight
• No F18 in sight
• No mention of F35

Protecting Pakistan's Sea region fall under Navy / Airforce
The Navy's Sea birds (if Su-35 ) just solidify the defensive setup

In an Idealistic world , availability of plane and it being offered to Pakistan , would be ideal circumstances

JF-17s will keep doing that job, Perhaps can be supplemented by J-10Cs. Until replaced by next gen aircraft. No money for stop gap solution. For now, chinese jets have all systems in place with integrations with LY-80s / HQs, AEW&Cs and air defense systems in naval platforms. ideally twin engine aircrafts comes with benefits but everything comes down to amount of resources you want to commit to a platform. Plus if Egypt / indonesia are backing out of the russian planes because of sanctions then its a big no go for us already.

Plus where we are going to stock the addtional jets ? I think we got enough platforms for our size, we should increase our air-bases and should focus in air defense / SAM systems to protect the airbases (which can track and eliminate both hostile aircrafts and cruise missiles). Whats good a massive air fleet if its gone while parked. PAF gradually increased its bases.. With additions, for next decade i think they will be focusing more on air defence of bases / addtional bases / infrastructure and once ready by end of decade then may go for additional platform. that's Just my opinion as first things first.

Cheers

 

[Sage]

J10 fits that bill
It can carry two heavy antiship missles with three fuel tanks

Remeber navy doesnt operate independent wing

All they have to do is to add one more engine to it.

 

[alikazmi007]

 

[TheSolution]

Su-35 or J-16D for maritime protection?
Which do you think is better suited?

(I don't think we'll be getting either though)

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

[Speculation only in my comments just opinion -AZADPAKISTAN2009]

In an ideal world based one what Pakistan Navy Needs other none trivial matters which don't concern us

• I feel picking up Su-35 Now fills 50% of needs (Mirages retired , and new Machines inducted)

• In future perhaps J-16 can be negotiated
  • In case Navy Grows to have first Air Craft bearing Ship (Something beyond 20 years from now) the economy does not allows for this to happen for foreseeable future
  • Also we don't have enough ships to protect Air Craft Carrier anyways

The extra hardpoints on these birds can even make them versatile addition in case their role is shifted from Navy to help with EW role


Few of the Birds can be added to the Training School for Airforce


However I will wait for formal announcement From Navy or Airforce

 

[waz]

Well it's a rumour but let's look at a few things.
India is shopping around, contemplating their fifth generation jet. The US won't ever sell them the F-35 and that's from Indian defence experts due to their closeness to Russia and the sheer level of Russian hardware they have. It's always ever been super F-16 this and Super Hornet that.
Their only option would be a Russian one which let's be honest would delight Russia to no end. India is a big economy with deep pockets, something Pakistan doesn't have and Russia needs.
I can't see this ever going ahead, it's illogical and risks putting the Russians in a compromising situation.